TV Line scoop about Klaus and Hayley - The Originals (2013) Discussion

[–] aerisjade22 8 years ago

Better not be "yet", I had enough of brother switcheroo on TVD.

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[–] D_Stormborn 8 years ago

It would be different since Elena has totally friendzoned Stefan.

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[–] ThinkBfourUSpeak 8 years ago

Hayley will never friendzoned Elijah....

So how will that even happen?

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[–] cocogurl-95192 8 years ago

I'll probably have to stop watching the show if that happens. I don't want to watch Elena 2.0.

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[–] ThinkBfourUSpeak 8 years ago

Long way from the season 2 ending. Does it sound like "They’re not yet lovers"?

No, I don't think so. He is saying that they are not lover but they will stick with each other for Hope.

Hayley loves Elijah and he loves her. They are not going anywhere.

Why do you think it is "yet"?

Hey did you watch the season finale of WW?

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[–] D_Stormborn 8 years ago

It seems just strange to me that they put emphasis on "not lovers". We knew that for a while now, so why mention it? To piss off the few Klaus Hayley fans left?

Yes, I watched the Ww ending, much better than the previous "Maeve the Almighty" episodes, I didn't care about. I think Lee survived, though, I dislike him more than Jackson or Matt.

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[–] ThinkBfourUSpeak 8 years ago

To piss off the few Klaus Hayley fans left?

lol yes. He wants to make sure there are none left.

No, really, I think he just wanted to clear if people start to speculate again considering they will be working together again.

Yes, I watched the Ww ending, much better than the previous "Maeve the Almighty" episodes, I didn't care about. I think Lee survived, though, I dislike him more than Jackson or Matt.

Lee?

YEah I dont like Maeve too. I was literally jumping up and down when it was revealed that it was all someone's (Ford I think) narrative  But now that she too is on the path; she got off that train on her free will.

Overall it was a good wrap up.

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[–] D_Stormborn 8 years ago

Obnoxious Lee: http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/westworld/images/5/56/Lee_Sizemore.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20161005154600

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[–] ThinkBfourUSpeak 8 years ago

oh.... He might have survived. I was not paying much attention to him but he was supposed to take Ford's place in narratives. I am not sure how park will survive without Ford. He was best for the park.

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[–] cocogurl-95192 8 years ago

I think part of the reason they emphasis it is because of certain fans who continually read into every little thing between Klaus and Haley and they refuse to accept them as friends.

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[–] Rocksbury 8 years ago

Agreed

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[–] Rocksbury 8 years ago

I think you're reading to much into it. Narducci has said this before. Some people think Klaus and Hayley are going to get together because they have a child, and they always ask the same question every season. Narducci gives the same answer. It's clear the person that asked the question is a Kayley fan because of the "former loves" comment. This person acts like Klaus and Hayley had a romantic relationship, when it was only a one night stand and nothing ever happened after that. I don't understand why some wants to turn this into TVD2. Hayley never got over Elijah when she was married to Jackson, and I don't think that's ever going to stop.
I'm glad this show never had Elijah and Klaus fighting over Hayley. Elijah and Klaus were given different love interest.

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[–] D_Stormborn 8 years ago

Yeah, you're probably right, Klaus should save himself for Caroline .
BTW it didn't happen on TVD either, except for some magical dreams in S5, Stelena is dunzo.

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[–] Rocksbury 8 years ago

Oh you..LOL!

With Caroline I'll have to see it to in order to believe it. I think they're just stringing that fanbase along.

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[–] Allison_max_rae94 8 years ago

Would rather that. I've just started to like Caroline again, and she and Klaus are better apart. They have been telling people Klaus and Hayley won't be together- the only reason people ship them is because of Hope.

Cami said something about happy mum, happy baby and happy life- Klaus and Hayley being with other people or alone and happy are happy parents which leads to a good home environment for Hope.
People get a little too obsessed with the idea that just because two people have a child together that it means they should be together romantically.

The first rule of truly living, do the thing you're most afraid of -Rebekah Mikaelson

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[–] TearTheStarsOutFromTheSky 8 years ago

No screw Caroline. Kill that hoe. Klaus deserves better than the Mystic Falls town bicycle.

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[–] UseYourHeart 8 years ago

I don't really care if Klaus and Hayley are together or not. I actively despise Hayley and Elijah, though because all I can relate that relationship to is my baby mama getting with my brother (my kid's uncle) and how backwoods that is.

"Daddy, if mommy and uncle [brother] get married, will he still be my uncle or my dad?"

"I don't know, my child. Luckily, I have excellent health insurance to cover the years of therapy you'll need for this crazy mess."

Elijah needs to find a girl that is not his niece's mother. It's just gross and weird as hell, man. Then if they had kids, my child's siblings would also be their cousins, lol NO. Just...no.

Family reunions are stressful enough as it is. I can't imagine dealing with that foolishness on top of it, lol.

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[–] ThinkBfourUSpeak 8 years ago

Elijah needs to find a girl that is not his niece's mother.

Oh but how can he? He has only but loved twice. He fell in love with his bro baby mama on first sight because of that baby she was carrying IMO.

"Daddy, if mommy and uncle [brother] get married, will he still be my uncle or my dad?"

"I don't know, my child. Luckily, I have excellent health insurance to cover the years of therapy you'll need for this crazy mess."

"Not a day go by my child, I dont regret that because of me and my family the therapist who was helping me for free is gone. I wish she was here to help you in this time of need but alas now I have to use my health insurance and find someone whom I can trust with our sick issues."

It's just gross and weird as hell, man. Then if they had kids, my child's siblings would also be their cousins, lol NO. Just...no.

Family reunions are stressful enough as it is. I can't imagine dealing with that foolishness on top of it, lol.

They have come and gone from that gross stage if you ask me. Nothing is gross anymore and since Hayley and Elijah woudnt be having any more kids so less complication... for us and poor Hope. I am sure she can understand her mommy and uncle's love for each other.

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[–] UseYourHeart 8 years ago

To flip the perspective a bit, if when I was a kid my mother started dating my uncle that would've f-cked me up as a kid. It would've confused me. Uncle? Dad? Uncle-Dad? Daddy uncle? Then for my kid...Uncle-Grandpa? It's too much! 😂

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[–] ThinkBfourUSpeak 8 years ago

You know when they started Eh there were loads of debate on this topic over here AND IIRC it is pretty common and acceptable situation in this particular country because love trumps all. 😂

Then for my kid...Uncle-Grandpa? It's too much! 😂

Not at all.... One for all, all for one.

THe most amazing thing will be if this little complication from Hope's pov is never addressed on this show...

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[–] aerisjade22 8 years ago

Yeah, no. Most of us were disgusted that Elijah was pining for his brother's baby mama. It was (and still is) incredibly trashy.

Unfortunately, I don't think that many of us were surprised. This is a Plec show, after all.

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[–] ThinkBfourUSpeak 8 years ago

I was not referring to this particular situation.. just in general take in real life.... I remember some of the disgust...

I dont know any real life such situations but I remember people quoting personal life examples and saying that it happens and nothing wrong with it....

As for in fiction if I am not wrong there is a similar situation in another show .... Dan, Nathan and Haley ??? Cannot recall the name...

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[–] UseYourHeart 8 years ago

Whatever. The point is, I don't care if Hayley ends up with her daughter's father. I'm legit aggravated that she is pursuing a relationship with her daughter's uncle (and vice versa). It just ain't right, man. It just ain't right. Smh.

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[–] ThinkBfourUSpeak 8 years ago

There is a time for everything and if that does not happen at that time then it loses its meaning and importance. That time has come and gone for KH so I have had my peace with that whereas EH in addition to being not morally right has failed to impress me mainly because it is nothing but a mass of angst and damsel in distress scenario.

I don't care....

I am there too.

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[–] cocogurl-95192 8 years ago

I'm with you on the angst with EH. After three seasons, it's exhausting to watch. As for the morality of them, yes, it's kind of icky (But so are a lot of ships on TVD and TO), but it's hard for me to be bothered as much when I'm watching a show about centuries old creatures who torture and murder people willy nilly. There are so many things that could easily put that girl in therapy that it's hard to pick just one specific thing.

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[–] ThinkBfourUSpeak 8 years ago

There are so many things that could easily put that girl in therapy that it's hard to pick just one specific thing.

why does she alone have to be in therapy? A 1000 year old lusting after his bro's baby mama needs more therapy than her.

As for the morality of them, yes, it's kind of icky (But so are a lot of ships on TVD and TO), but it's hard for me to care as much when I'm watching a show about centuries old creatures who torture and murder people willy nilly.

Somethings are still not acceptable to me.. Well acceptable is a strong word, hard to swallow, maybe?

I'm with you on the angst with EH. After three seasons, it's exhausting to watch.

And now we have this five year angst. I wonder if there will be more before the series/season ends? Will it reach its peak with ELijah's death or finally EH will be free of all angsts?

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[–] cocogurl-95192 8 years ago

why does she alone have to be in therapy? A 1000 year old lusting after his bro's baby mama needs more therapy than her.

I'm not saying she alone needs to go to therapy. They all obviously need it. I'm just saying that there so many screwed up things that go on in the in the Mikaelson family, I don't think this would be the main thing that would send Hope to therapy.

Somethings are still not acceptable to me.. Well acceptable is a strong word, hard to swallow, maybe?

I get that. I guess for me, if I were watching a normal human drama, than this would be harder for me to watch. But in the TVD/TO world we have Marcel in love with his adopted aunt. Stefan and Damon's rather creepy transference from Elena's ancestor Katherine to her (add that to the fact that Damon has also slept with Elena's mother...eww!) and a lot of hundred plus vampires have been lusting after high school children. Then throw in the fact that they're all murderers, there's no end to just how messed up all of these people are. So at this point, I can't really say what is more screwed up. But that's just me. :)

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[–] ThinkBfourUSpeak 8 years ago

(add that to the fact that Damon has also slept with Elena's mother...eww!)

Really? I didnt know this one... Elena definitely needs therapy. Cami could have been great but alas they used her with single minded purpose.

So at this point, I can't really say what is more screwed up.

I get that. I think many feel that way too. Probably the show runners were counting on this attitude from the fans not to mention themselves too (after all like you said this is a show about screwed up people. Whats one more screw up action?) when they started concentrating on EH.

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[–] cocogurl-95192 8 years ago

Really? I didnt know this one... Elena definitely needs therapy. Cami could have been great but alas they used her with single minded purpose.

Yeah, he did. I mean, it was before he knew Elena, but still. A normal person would immediately take Elena off the potential romance list once finding out. Lol.

And I'll always be sad at how wasted Cami's character was.

I get that. I think many feel that way too. Probably the show runners were counting on this attitude from the fans not to mention themselves too (after all like you said this is a show about screwed up people. Whats one more screw up action?) when they started concentrating on EH.

They probably do. Once Upon a Time is another great example of putting together odd pairings and making it look normal. Lol.

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[–] aerisjade22 8 years ago

Yeah, it happens, but I wouldn't go so far as to say nothing's wrong with it. But a lot of TVD/TO's ships have been problematic. Again, because Plec.

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[–] Rocksbury 8 years ago

Certain people bitching about Elijah and Hayley, and acting like it's the worst thing ever on TO/TVD is ridiculous.

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[–] UseYourHeart 8 years ago

I can handle murder. I cannot handle incest even if it's borderline. I have my limits. Hooking up with your baby daddy's brother is one of them.

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[–] tmrhgrvs 8 years ago

Its not incest. Hayley and Elijah are not related.
Just because Klaus and Hayley had a one night stand doesn't mean Hayley and Elijah aren't allowed to be together. Thats almost like saying a woman is married to a man for 5 years and are madly in love then got raped by or drunk qnd slept with the mans brother and got pregnant, "oh, its my brothers baby, we gotta get divorced, his happiness matters more".
Its just plain stupid. And Hope will not be confused about it. When your parents remarry 90% of the time you just call your step parent by their name not mom or dad, you call your parents that. Elena and Jeremy are cousins and adopted siblings, they are fine.

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[–] Rocksbury 8 years ago

Agreed

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[–] ThinkBfourUSpeak 8 years ago

Thats almost like saying a woman is married to a man for 5 years and are madly in love then got raped by or drunk qnd slept with the mans brother and got pregnant, "oh, its my brothers baby, we gotta get divorced, his happiness matters more".

I know you said "almost" but what?  How is that related to this situation?

So Hayley was in love with Elijah when she got raped / drunk and have sex with Klaus when she conceived her baby? I must have missed that episode when she met Elijah before she set her eyes on Klaus... Which episode was it?

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[–] aerisjade22 8 years ago

Don't take it literally. It's just a reference to old-time beliefs humanity used to have about women, ie the Bible requiring a woman to marry her rapist. We don't adhere to that now.

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[–] ThinkBfourUSpeak 8 years ago

oh i see but that still doesnt fit here...

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[–] UseYourHeart 8 years ago

It's not incest in the traditional sense of the word, no. But Klaus has referred to Hayley as "family" on more than one occasion. Family doesn't necessarily mean those with whom you share blood. So, in that sense, yes, Elijah and Hayley being together is incestuous.

Somebody threw out Marcel and Rebekah for the same reason, and yes, I agree. I've been against them since day 1 as well.

Look, you can't make this ok, because it's just not, lol. I'm sorry, but it is what it is, and what it is, is nasty and triflin'. Ratchet, if you will.

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[–] ThinkBfourUSpeak 8 years ago

But Klaus has referred to Hayley as "family" on more than one occasion. Family doesn't necessarily mean those with whom you share blood. So, in that sense, yes, Elijah and Hayley being together is incestuous.

when you put it like that then of course it makes sense . Maybe Elijah does not see Hayley as family.

Somebody threw out Marcel and Rebekah for the same reason, and yes, I agree. I've been against them since day 1 as well.

That is not as messed up as EH. I always find a woman sleeping with two brothers an icky situation. In this case there is even a child. Anyways I think that is the reason I always understood why Klaus was never okay with Marcel and Rebekah.

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[–] ThinkBfourUSpeak 8 years ago

To be fair it is not incest not even borderline. Icky/ amoral especially when they keep telling us how honorable and noble Elijah is, but not incest. I could accept a relationship like that between Hayley and some other random guy but Elijah. Does not fit the character traits they keep forcing on us.

Hooking up with your baby daddy's brother is one of them.

Hooking up with your niece mom too.

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[–] aerisjade22 8 years ago

Also, they keep trying to make Hayley this paragon of virtue, and forget that she was complicit in the murder of 12 hybrids, not to mention the witches she took out earlier this past season.

Really, the only one on TO who has any claim to honorable is Josh, and that's because he only shows up for 10 minutes total each season.

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[–] ThinkBfourUSpeak 8 years ago

I know what you mean. And to be honest I don't expect much from Hayley so I am not surprised at her going after her baby's niece since I dont expect a lot from her but Elijah.. I had expectations from him. He fell from grace not her. For some reason Hayley does not and has never given me an impression that she had or has any kind of honor or values. And before ANYONE (not you of course) jump on me for wanting KH then that has nothing to do with what sort of person she or Klaus are. She was and still is closer to Klaus in nature than Elijah and I shipped them because they had potential to make a family which they both needed and they were half way there. In my eyes they had a strong reason to give them a chance. I think a child can be a great bind for parents provided the parents dont want to kill each other which the writers went to extreme lengths to prove they want to do that just to prop up EH

Really, the only one on TO who has any claim to honorable is Josh, and that's because he only shows up for 10 minutes total each season

Really? Surely there must be someone else too. How about AIden?

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[–] UseYourHeart 8 years ago

EH are like something straight outta The Color Purple.

SISTAAAAAH! 

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[–] ThinkBfourUSpeak 8 years ago

Really? I have not watched that movie so cannot really get the connection.

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[–] UseYourHeart 8 years ago

Backwoods incestuous relationships. And you must see this movie. It will change your life.

Bonus if you get an opportunity to see the Broadway show.

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[–] ThinkBfourUSpeak 8 years ago

I just read the synopsis on IMDB... Looks really interesting. I will definitely watch.

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