just call Kay when he realized Kay moved out of his apartment--and more than likely left town--without telling him?
This really strikes me as odd.
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Kay had blocked M's calls, OR Marc realised by Kay's leaving Force and apartment, he wanted to cut ties completely, so made no attempt to re-contact him. M. got the msg.!
shareTo be honest, I really can't see Kay blocking Marc's number. He was so in love with Marc he basically did whatever Marc asked:
1. he left Marc alone when asked only to return home to find Marc in his apartment.
2. He left the party when Marc asked him to;
3. He was about to leave the hospital when Marc asked him to only to have Marc grab him by the arm to stay a little longer;
4. He left and supposedly transferred when Marc suggested it and returned the keys to his apartment.
But in spite of all this Kay usually left the door open for Marc to return if he wanted: "It was a bad idea to come here, but if you ever want to go jogging sometime..."
So even though Marc giving him back the keys to his apartment seemed final, I can see Kay holding out hope that Marc would come to his senses and come back to him in the end. And blocking Marc's number would go against that hope.
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Marc had had chance after chance after chance with Kay, and he finally began to take Kay for granted. He played him along. I would never have tolerated being played along as Kay had to endure - would you?
If Kay hadn't done what he did,when he did, he would have lost his self-respect.
I reckon Marc knew in his heart of hearts he had finally blown it, as he had.
Remember Kay's impassioned pleadings in Marc's face, "what about me, Marc, what about me"?
Marc didn't push his luck by pursuing Kay - wisely.
I only suggested Kay might have blocked Marc's number - far more likely, being a strong character, more than M.,Kay would have ignored M's calls, if any, and Marc knew it.
I would never have tolerated being played along as Kay had to endure - would you?
Marc didn't push his luck by pursuing Kay - wisely.
Ah yes, new discussion! And hello there. :)
I agree mrlpratt that Kay was exceedingly devoted to Marc in a way that allowed Marc the freedom he needed to do what needed to be done. With the eventual expectation, however, that Marc would be his. Whether that would mean Marc breaking off from Bettina totally or some other arrangement, who knows. At the very least he expected Marc to tell Bettina. Kay never struck me as the sort who liked to keep things hidden entirely. He divulged information at appropriate times to the appropriate people. Anything he kept quiet was for personal physical safety rather than that he was closed off and reserved as Marc.
The exchange on the balcony, during which Marc returned the key, Kay's demeanor had already changed somewhat drastically to how we'd seen him with Marc up to that point. He was more guarded. So I do think that, while the heart always holds out some kind of hope, Kay could read the writing on the wall. He wasn't going to wait for, expect, or pursue Marc any longer. He had to give up and move on. If Marc really wanted him he was going to have to go through a great deal more effort to get Kay. I agree he wouldn't block Marc's number though.
To answer your question about why Marc didn't just contact Kay - call, text, whathaveyou, I understand it on a visceral level but find it hard to explain. I myself was in that situation once, in Marc's position, when I could have very easily picked up the phone or something, but I didn't. Why? Who the hell knows. Perhaps it's something to do with being stricken with fear. With feeling so distressed that reaching out in any way is a monumental effort. Or you have yourself convinced the person doesn't want to talk to you or see you anymore anyway, and they're better off without you, so why bother. Then time passes, and passes, and passes... and even though you might still think about the person often or just sometimes, you still can't manage to make the leap to contact them. Because somehow it's become even worse that you let all that time pass, and how are you going to even explain why to them. We're gluttons for punishment maybe? It's not much of an answer, I realize, but it is an answer. A real life sort of answer I guess.
Hey man. How are you? ;o)
If Marc really wanted him he was going to have to go through a great deal more effort to get Kay.
Perhaps it's something to do with being stricken with fear. With feeling so distressed that reaching out in any way is a monumental effort. Or you have yourself convinced the person doesn't want to talk to you or see you anymore anyway, and they're better off without you, so why bother. Then time passes, and passes, and passes... and even though you might still think about the person often or just sometimes, you still can't manage to make the leap to contact them. Because somehow it's become even worse that you let all that time pass, and how are you going to even explain why to them.
Enjoyed your posts again and good one from you this time,scifi.
Why we never make the call because of that small voice inside of us?In retrospect, probably a lot to do with male pride and basic human self-respect, isn't it? the one who makes the first move can be seen (am not saying rightly) as the weaker of the two. Let's call it power play,if you like. Have been there too and sometimes wonder if Id responded.................(pointless of course), or the other side is, sitting at home alone praying for the text message or calls that never come, (well of course).
Even though you addressed your reply to scifi, somehow you clicked on my comment so I'll respond:
probably a lot to do with male pride and basic human self-respect, isn't it?
My reply was for both of you, but yes, primarily for scifi, due his remarks about his own experiences. He was spot-on, btw.
Never heard of this singer, but I understand where you are coming from.
Marc's pride would be happy but was he? Nope.
As we all do, we dust ourselves down and get on with Life, as there is no alternative, but for Marc, lesson learned.
My thoughts were at that point with Kay ; what about HIS feelings? Hurt, disappointment, bewilderment, uncertainty, vulnerability, will I go on?
You see, some of you guys, still, Marc, Marc,Marc.
What about Kay??????
Strong, tough, a go-getter, a chaser, but sensitive - better believe it.
That was his "weakness", and Kay is the guy I'd have rushed to first, to hug and hug and hug, to comfort and be a friend and a shoulder.
Haha, ronfirv. I do hear you about "what about Kay?". As I think I've said before, the film was Marc's story and Marc's journey. So naturally we're going to gravitate toward and focus on him. But believe me, I'd been thinking about Kay's side of things too. How can I not? Kay's a very compelling character. We're never shown any part of Kay's side, really, which is a shame because I think it could've rounded out the story a lot more, if the story was about the relationship and not Marc in particular. Part of me is hoping that Freier Fall 2 is more Kay's story/journey than Marc's necessarily.
shareYou see, some of you guys, still, Marc, Marc,Marc.
What about Kay??????
Strong, tough, a go-getter, a chaser, but sensitive - better believe it.
That was his "weakness", and Kay is the guy I'd have rushed to first, to hug and hug and hug, to comfort and be a friend and a shoulder.
The idea of if Marc had only returned the key but not mentioned a transfer, would Kay still have left? Man, mrlpratt, that is some fun speculation to ponder. After contemplating, I'd go with... maybe. It'd depend on how much time Marc let pass. Kay probably wouldn't have up and left like a bat out of hell like he did. But I couldn't see Kay sticking around indefinitely just in case Marc eventually came to his senses. As ronfirv pointed out, Kay has too much self respect for that. I think we all agree that no matter how that all went down, Marc was going to have to do some serious pursuing to get Kay back.
I agree with ronfirv that that hesitation about making first contact, for lack of a better word, is a lot to do with male pride. And mrlpratt's right - it's stupid in the end. We win the nonexistent battle for our pride. But we lose out on everything else. And if we just swallowed our pride and made that leap to begin with, we'd realize it was all bull$hit anyway.
This is a real difficult point, scifi & Mrlpratt, male pride.
I agree, of course, we should swallow it more often (in relationships)as at the end, we lose out, but it is all so deeply embedded in our male dna, too hard at times to overcome.
I did once - it backfired on me badly. I felt cheap,lessened as a man, as my partner then took full advantage. We finally broke up about 3 months later.
Would I swallow it again? That's a hard one, but it would take lots arm-twisting.
This is why I felt for Kay.
He was between a rock and a hard place, poor guy, and look at the chances and long string he had given Marc.
I realised Marc had inner demons to fight but how many men would have given him the slack needed as Kay did.
Marc lost a gem of a guy.We are at least ALL agreed on that! :))
Totally right on ronfirv. You bring up a good point. It's a thin line between swallowing our pride and losing our self respect. They shouldn't be mutually exclusive but they can be, despite our best efforts.
I've said before that Kay was way more patient and understanding a guy than I'd probably be. Marc has no f#!king idea how lucky he was with Kay. Well, maybe he does, now that he's lost him. Just because, from a character standpoint, I identify more with Marc doesn't mean I don't also think he's a foolish dumba$$. I feel the exact same when looking back on my own similar stupidity.
Kay should forget Marc. Move on to me. I'll treat him right. ;)
Yes, thanks, scifi, and as you too have experienced, the feelings engendered by loss of self-respect, even some, are pretty hard to bear. As I said, it's happened to me and don't want to ever feel that way again. I work now on the assumption or belief, plenty other pebbles on the beach. Perhaps another guy would have treated me differently and appreciated the climbdown by me, but I made a poor call, at least with him. C'est la vie and I long ago moved on, thankfully.
Well, scifi, that's two of us, as I'd certainly look after Kay well,you bet! Then the trouble would be me possibly becoming possessive, having a loyal partner like him around ; not many pebbles like Kay on beaches! ;))
I agree, of course, we should swallow it more often (in relationships)as at the end, we lose out, but it is all so deeply embedded in our male dna, too hard at times to overcome.
I did once - it backfired on me badly. I felt cheap,lessened as a man, as my partner then took full advantage. We finally broke up about 3 months later.
You make it seem easy!
It's loss of self-respect which is, by a country mile the hardest to grasp & handle.
LOL I guess years of practice have honed my skills!
And as for loss of self-respect, the good thing about it is with time, it can be regained. The main thing though is to learn from it. But it shouldn't cause you to be hardened and shy away from taking risks when it comes to love since, like the stock market, its greatest rewards come about as a result of being willing to take the greatest risks with your heart--basically what Kay did. He may have lost this time but I think it will be short-lived, if Part 2 becomes reality.
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Kay probably wouldn't have up and left like a bat out of hell like he did.
You are mostly right here in what you say but by leaving as he did, finally, at last, (job and apartment and town)Kay did burn his bridges.If any had a good conscience, no contest, it was Kay.
Marc with some detective work could have found Kay eventually but he got the message loud & clear. Almost all would.
Marc with some detective work could have found Kay eventually...
You're right ; Marc lost a slice of his self-respect crawling back to Bettina the way he did. I could hardly think in her heart of hearts she respected him for doing it.
I wouldn't quite say he took the coward's way out ; Kay's actions were pretty darned emphatic and Marc got the message loud and clear. He knew where he'd gone wrong in the relationship by then, and at last did the right thing, and took it on the chin and this time kept self-respect.
He knew where he'd gone wrong in the relationship by then, and at last did the right thing, and took it on the chin and this time kept self-respect.
Marc didn't pick the time to think about some self-respect ; events overtook him, again.
To re-summarise, Kay quit job, left his apartment and the town without very deliberately breathing a word to Marc. He probably told the Police seniors not to pass on any info. to Marc if he enquired. Pretty clear stuff, uh?
Now, let's say Marc had found Kay, what about Kay's self-respect in taking him back?
If a guy did to me what Kay did, then I too would have made no attempt to get in touch.
A case of actions speaking far louder than words.
events overtook him, again.
Now, let's say Marc had found Kay, what about Kay's self-respect in taking him back?
Why didn't Marc just call Kay when he realized Kay moved out of his apartment
I am in agreement most of your post, murph. Good one.
shareI assumed this is exactly what Marc tried to do, because I can't believe he'd literally break down Kay's door and then NOT try to contact him by phone - which is the way he'd gotten in touch before. It may not have been dramatized for the movie, but I can't imagine Marc not taking that obvious step.
Of course, neither of these characters had a crystal ball. Marc couldn't have known that the choice he made, however honorable it seemed, was doomed to fail. And Kay couldn't have known that Marc would suddenly become available and need him desperately. Timing's a bitch.
But even as the film's credits rolled, I knew Marc and Kay's story wasn't over;
Like you I'm all for "happily-ever-after". When all is said and done, I'm still bummed that they did not end up together. If there is a sequel I'll be downright irate if that does not happen.
shareIf there is a sequel I'll be downright irate if that does not happen.
Have to disagree ; I don't believe the producers got it wrong at the end. I believe they intended for us to use our wee grey cells and work out our own ending, using our vivid imaginations. I don't enjoy films where everything but everything has to be spelled out these days.
No rioting from me ; btw, Marc and Kay are Policemen, they don't like that behavior! ;)
I believe they intended for us to use our wee grey cells and work out our own ending, using our vivid imaginations. I don't enjoy films where everything but everything has to be spelled out these days.
Marc and Kay are Policemen, they don't like that behavior!
If you were in Marc's position would you call? I'm not sure i would, no one likes rejection and Marc was basically rejected (though that's so odd, it's ok for him to reject Kay and punch him and reject his own sexuality, but when Kay just leaves him it isn't ok).
Kay spent the entire movie devoting himself to Marc and for what? To be punched on the face and rejected later, Kay was really strong, he had no fear when confronted by Marc's parent, Marc was the one afraid and nervous, Kay was ok, Kay was just sick of being rejected, his situation was terrible, he couldn't live like that anymore so he left, he still had hopes Marc would change his mind, but he couldn't stay not with a brute homophobe assaulting him.
Marc was sad on the end, he felt rejected and he didn't took it well, he didn't called, he just moved along, he was sad, he felt lonely, he went to a bar in the hope that some empty sex could make him feel less lonely.
Kay had no reason to stay, he had no reason to say to Marc he was leaving, he was sick of the situation he was in, he was sick of being rejected, he was in pain.
In the end what happened was 2 lovers apart, Marc had rejected Kay far too much and Kay basically rejected him by leaving, it's sad, but hopefully the sequel will come out soon and we'll see the end of this story.
"No one is gonna take my soul away i'm living like Targaryen"
If you were in Marc's position would you call?
...hopefully the sequel will come out soon and we'll see the end of this story.
Maybe Marc realize the suffering he caused to Kay that he decided it was better to stay away and let him go? Like a wise proverb says "if you love something set it free".
"No one is gonna take my soul away i'm living like Targaryen"
I've heard of that proverb. But Marc really didn't set Kay free. Kay freed himself.
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No, Kay left, but Marc was the one with the power to set him free (let him go instead of going after him and end up hurting him again), i think Marc felt deep down that he was actually hurting Kay so he decided to let him go, to stay away not go after him or call him.
"No one is gonna take my soul away i'm living like Targaryen"
No, Kay left, but Marc was the one with the power to set him free
I don't like that too, but there's a sequel coming and i'm sure they're gonna be 2gheter again.
"No one is gonna take my soul away i'm living like Targaryen"
there's a sequel coming and i'm sure they're gonna be 2gheter again.