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When the bomb exploded


Why didn't he just hang around and wait for the emergency services to arrive? He would have been rescued. By this point he looked like a bomb victim, not a soldier. He was in "friendly" territory. Instead he wanders off in the smoke and ends up lost again, collapsing in the street and taken into the home of IRA sympathisers. He wasn't the brightest button was he?

I enjoyed the film though, despite his decisions irking me immensely.

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Newly finished watching this film and same thought crossed my mind.
Also enjoyed (if that is quite the right word) the movie, more than very good acting by Jack O'Connell, and as the cover of the dvd said, edge of seat stuff, in most part.
A name I will watch for in the future.

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Considering he was briefly knocked unconscious by the blast, he more than likely had a concussion. Confusion is a very common symptom of concussions.

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I hear what you're saying but that just feels a tad convenient. There were enough people milling around helping the wounded to stop him from wandering off. He looked like he'd been blown through a window, and had carried out a child whose limbs had been blown off. It was utterly ridiculous and just lazy Deus ex machina style plotting to get him back in a perilous situation again, let's be honest!

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Well, he was in a state of disorientation and panic; he wouldn't have been thinking clearly. Furthermore, a bomb had just went off in a very volatile country that he probably had limited knowledge about and plus the fact he was a young, inexperienced soldier; taking all these factors into consideration, he's hardly going to stick around, especially as another bomb could have went off, for all he knew. Hell, even locals and experienced soldiers probably would have been off their mark in the same situation, imo.

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Plus, he was actually trying to get to the Hospital. Remember he helped that woman put the Boy in the car in order for him to be taken to the Hospital. Then, the car just drives off and he starts chasing it, because he realizes the Hospital would most likely save him.

Add to that his confusion, which I guess everybody would have after surviving such a blast.

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He was disoriented and badly injured (remember the bomb ripped a hole in his stomach). Plus, he didn't know or trust anyone.

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With all of the double-crossing, misunderstandings, seemingly random acts of violence and the fact he's got an English accent, you'd hardly expect him to hang around for Round 2. I thought he was thinking more clearly than suffering from bad concussion, and his army training wouldn't be "Hang around for an ambulance" but "Look for cover/safety and your squad."

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Good point but he was in a Loyalist part of town and would have been more than relatively ok.
However, that said, who could blame the guy for hitting the panic button.
After viewing this great little film, my sympathies for one of the sides and our truly outstanding Armed Forces has only strengthened.

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A lot of you are emphasizing the fact that Hook was in a loyalist/unionist area and was therefore safe. How the hell was he to know he was safe?!! I suspect that every person in Northern Ireland during that period, even ordinary civilians from both catholic and protestant communities, did NOT feel 100% safe; afterall, it was a gerrymandered, abnormal society and particularly volatile and sanguinary during the early 70s, and noone trusted anybody, even people from their own communities . . . paranoia and fear was (understandably) rife everywhere. Yes, Northern Ireland was -- still is -- part of the United Kingdom and Hook was aware of this (remember he said to his younger brother in the cafeteria scene earlier that "he wasn't leaving the country and would be safe"), but note the look of dread and fear on his face in an earlier scene when his corporal announced to his regiment that it was going to be stationed in Northern Ireland due to the deteriorating safety conditions in Belfast; Hook had obviously heard through the grapevine about the notoriety of the political and social situation in Northern Ireland and was thus filled with anxiety -- Northern Ireland during that era was probably the most dangerous area in the world for a British soldier due to hostility from Nationalist communities and the growing support for the Provisional IRA, who were very prone to violence -- and when he and his regiment arrived there it was soon realised that they were despised and hated by the majority of catholics and Nationalist communities. The soldiers' early confrontation with the Nationalist children and ensuing riot highlight this unequivocally. Talk about a rude awakening!

So, basically, Hook, despite still being on United Kingdom soil, was very much a stranger in a very strange land; he didn't trust anyone, was overcome with fear, paranoia, disorientation and naivety and underestimated the Republican hostility. He wasn't going to stick around, and nor would most people, even local Protestants/Unionists, imo.

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I see where you are coming from,looker7.
I grew up in UK during these troubled years and more than that, spent a week as a pre-Sandhurst cadet in Wiltshire.
Rest assured, not one of us(of 48 male cadets) was under any illusions whatsoever, even before full Army training, what we would face in NI, especially from the IRA community and their numerous sympathisers. It was strongly hinted that most of us would be serving there in our chosen Regiments. Yes, at that time, there were no probablies about it, for our Army, NI was our most dangerous and riskiest posting.
My mother (and I was an only son)whilst proud I wanted to serve, like my late father, was filled with dread at any prospect I would be sent to NI.

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Agreed, looker!!

The scene with the little boy leading him to the bar is telling. The boy asks him his name and Hook responds. The boy says, "That isn't a Catholic name then. Sure, are you a Protestant?" To which Hook responds, "I don't know." The boy is perplexed as hell - "how can you not know if you're a Protestant or a Catholic?!" he says, or something to that effect.

As someone who specialized in international law (working very closely around the fall-out of the Troubles) and got a PhD in British/Irish history - I thought that particular scene just nailed it. The communities in the North were tribal. You HAVE to be Protestant or Catholic. If you're a Jew - are you a Protestant Jew or a Catholic Jew? If you're a Muslim - are you a Protestant Muslim or a Catholic Muslim.

It's changing somewhat, but having spent a lot of time there and with friends of both religious faiths, it still exists. As an American outsider, of course, you're immune and an outsider - and you know it, and they know, and they make sure you know it.

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ronfirv & MalibuBohemian,

interesting posts, folks. Completely agree with all the points you both raised. Ronfirv -- I can't even begin to imagine what your mother was feeling of knowing that her only son was going to stationed in the volatile, gerrymandered province that was Northern Ireland; must've been very trying and worrying times for her, to say the least. Btw, ronfirv, did you actually serve or do any tours of Northern Ireland while in the British Army?

MalibuBohemian -- thanks for your contribution to this thread, too. I agree with all of what you typed. Yeah, the scene with the young loyalist boy is indicative of, a.)just how insular (and "tribal", as you rightly put it) a society NI was, and, b.)just how naive and unknowledgeable Hook was about NI's social and political problems during that era. It's also interesting that you mention NI in the present day and how attitudes are changing with regard to the troubles and the religious divide, but at the same time it still exists; I reckon it will exist and linger for a little while yet (unfortunately). The good thing is, though, that after the Good Friday Agreement that was ratified by both the British Government and Sinn Fein in 1998, there has been a lasting peace and an unwavering determination from both unionist and nationalist communities to make peace a permanent facet of life in Northern Ireland; they are petrified of returning to the dark, uncertain and violent days of the troubles, and realise the futility of religious and sectarian conflict.

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Agreed Looker. I am curious though if the peace will genuinely last. I hope it does. I'm in my 30s and remember growing up and hearing about Northern Ireland on the news and seeing the footage of bombings. I was most recently in Belfast in August and September and actually went, for the first time in my life, to the Falls Road area and then to the Shankill. I was mildly worried in some of the Unionists areas because they are just blighted and derelict - but the Catholic areas seemed more lively. I hadn't been to Belfast itself in nearly 10 years - and the last time I was there - 2005 - I was advised not to wander. It has changed dramatically in the intervening 10 years, as even friends of mine who live there will attest.

But I do wonder as to the stability you mention. I feel like people who lived through the conflict, so basically anyone born before let's say the late 80s, would probably not want to return to the uncertainty and violence. But the schools there remain largely segregated, with Catholics in Catholic schools and Protestants at state schools, so you already are having people inculcated with these tribal values at a very young age. And I think the antipathies linger, particularly amongst the working class. What I wonder is if at some point generations who never knew the conflict will resurrect it. For one, at some point in the next 50-60 years here (if not sooner), the Catholic birth rate will out-strip the Protestant, and they will hold a referendum on whether to join with the Republic of Ireland, per the terms of the GFA, and the Catholics/nationalists will vote yes and the Republic will vote yes - so it'll go yes. I would be SHOCKED if that didn't inspire a massive blood bath.

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No, didn't serve in NI, in some ways (probably in more ways for my mother)much relieved.
I am a Scot (now living in England) and brought up in Edinburgh. Protestant and Catholics used to be segregated to an extent, when I was a boy and teen, but not to the extent as in Glasgow. Catholics largely had their own schools but that was as much their wish as any policy having been forced upon them. In Scotland's smaller towns, after primary schooling, the two communities mixed at secondary level. The divide was most noticeable in football, with teams either overwhelmingly RC or Protestant. I remember the area of the city I lived in we only knew one RC family in the same street, but we were all friendly with them, and vice versa. Glasgow was an entirely different story!
However, am still very much surprised how naive Hook has been shown in the film. Believe me, during these troubled times, everyone, but everyone had an opinion about NI(rarely positive, and usually heated) and with massive news coverage (in the very times of this movie)no excuse for anyone to not know the extent of the conflict and the bitterness.
Thank goodness now we have a peace, somewhat fragile, but it is holding and I believe, will hold.
My dread remains the extreme elements of the Republican movement will push too quickly for unity yet again, as the Protestant side still feels badly let down by the GFA. Not having visited NI (my mother did before WWII)unsure how deeply the Protestant feel about any further concessions to the Republicans but I would imagine not keen, as an understatement!
If there is ever a Yes vote to unity eventually, I would imagine hundreds and more likely many thousands of Protestants will move to other parts of the UK. After so many years of deep loyalty, the British Govt. of the day will have no alternative but to assist in that re-settlement should the domesday scenario ever take place.
Let's keep hoping peace holds and strengthens as the years pass.

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What a fascinating thread, and a wonderful film too.

The 'fragile peace', as you so rightly say, in Norn Iron I experienced in 2002. I went there for training (worked in a bank) and spent two weeks with NI colleagues. They were great, really nice and friendly people, and it was all going very well. I visited the Falls by tour bus, we all got off and bent over double as though we were in the view of snipers, lol. Belfast was the safest city in Europe. I was staying at The Europa - the most bombed hotel in Europe - but there's an amazing pub opposite called The Crown and my new colleagues/friends laughed off 'The Troubles', but when they occasionally went into detail I'd hear stories of how they lost friends in bombings (still being quite light hearted) and how they'd have to go through various checkpoints just to get to school (not so light hearted, then).

Then, after I'd been there just over a week, it transpired Sinn Fein had been 'caught' (don't know if it was true) bugging UK politicians' offices and Direct Rule was brought back in. My colleagues changed from being easy going and friendly to suspicious and cool, there were helicopters overhead all of the time and armed forces on every street. I'd go back to my hotel after training, not visit the bar or restaurant and order room service, and hear all of the helicopters buzzing overhead. I was pretty terrified and glad to be out of there after 4/5 days.

For the last 5 years I've been out in the ME, working with the local armed forces (not banking, more soft skills and education), and I see - on a daily basis - the concern and vigilance I saw in those few days in NI. Out here conflict is almost ingrained in daily life, I'd hate for that to be the case back in Belfast or the mainland.

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I can see how he wandered off. He had the boy in his arms, and that woman called over a car so the boy could be taken to a hospital.

Probably concussed and confused, Hook tries to follow the car but it ends up leaving because Hook is injured and cannot keep up. He later passes out and is found by the father/daughter.

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I'm not going to go into War Stories in Pictures here because I've never been in combat, but I once came very close to being blown up and was only about 100 yards from the explosion. Afterwards I was in a weird state of shock and just wandered off with a vague notion of wanting to go to my bed. Any closer to the bomb and I'd have been acting look Hook for sure.

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That was your inner self wishing to retreat to a place of warmth & safety ; totally understandable reaction to a traumatic event.

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My thoughts: He could still be identified as a soldier; Brigid said so when she was undressing him. I'm thinking his boots were the clue.

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