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Questions about the war in 71


American here who didn't understand who were the good guys in the movie and who were the bad...please try to explain.
Ireland has a civil ware between protestants and Catholics? Why was England involved? Was Boyle a good guy or bad guy? Everyone was betraying each other in this movie so it was hard to tell.
Why did the mobs hate the British so much...they were there to look for illegal guns so why not just hide the guns and say "ok, come and search"

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Listen sunshine, it wasn't as simple as "good guys/bad guys".
Why was Britain involved (England is ONE country in our Union)? Northern Ireland is a fully integral part of that afore-mentioned Union by the wishes of the majority of that Province's population, and remains so.
As for the intricacies of these awful years, it would take pages and pages to explain ; I suggest you go elsewhere to read up about it or will that stretch your attention span?

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Thank you for the least helpful answer in imdb history.

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IMdB is not a site for factual, historical & political info.
That's like learning about Roman history by asking questions on "Gladiator" board!

The Northern Ireland question is way too involved and complicated to explain on this board ; it is not, was not, an easily explained good vs bad situation.
British troops were initially welcomed by the RC section of the population as they were seen as offering more protection ; this perception changed as it was overwhelmingly the RC population and Irish Nationalists who saw British troops (albeit on British Territory)as "occupiers"!

As I said, if you want to know the intricacies of these Troubles I suggest you look at many other better sites across the Internet, far,far more informative than this one, and more likely to be accurate too.

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It also has its origins in the 1600s, so OP you're asking for hundreds of years to be explained in a quick post...

Better to start with 'The Troubles' on Wikipedia and check all the linked articles therein.

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The north of Ireland most certainly isn't part of the UK. That the people there can dictate to the other 59,000,000 people in Britain proves the point, as does the vote on Scotch independence. Since both populations voted over a change to the union and the English and Welsh were disenfranchised, England and Wales can't be in the same jurisdiction. QED.

Marlon, Claudia & Dimby the cats 1989-2005, 2007, 2010. Clio, July 1997 - 1 May 2016.

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That the people there can dictate to the other 59,000,000 people in Britain proves the point

Not really - It seems just about anyone can dictate to the English, these days!! 

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Northan Ireland most certainly IS part of the UK. The UK consists of England, Wales, Scotland and N.I.All of them are represented in the U.k Houses of Parliament in Westminster, London.No one section can 'dictate'to any other section.They all have their own governing bodies as well,for their internal affairs.Ireland,as a whole, was part of the UK until they voted,in a referendum,to leave the Union.But the six counties in the north of Ireland voted to remain in the Union as British.Therein lies the root of 'The Troubles'. The south of Ireland is a republic. The Irish Republican Army-an illegal organisation-set about 'persuading'the protestants in the north to join the Republic,for a united Ireland.Murder and mayhem were taking place,and as the north is British it became necessary for the British Army to become involved.That,Sir,is it, in a 'nutshell'.
I am afraid the remainder of your post makes no sense at all!!As you know,Scotland voted to remain British-in the Union. England and Wales certainly are not disenfranchised, as you put it.



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http://www.giyf.com/

Why are some people so lazy?

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Yeah, because Google is going to give me concrete answers about if Boyle was supposed to be a good guy or bad guy. LOL

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Nah you need a brain to work that out for yourself...

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Exactly! So if my brain needs to work it out, then that means the answers cannot be found on Google.
By the way, I've been reading many reviews and plot summaries of '71. They mention items such as "the doctor and his daughter who save Hook were Catholics..."
At no time in the movie did they say they were Catholics. How are we supposed to know? Brains cannot work things out when the director gives us no information. That's why we ask questions on imdb.

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Asking questions ABOUT THE MOVIE is fine but the OP wants to know the history of the conflict which wasn't even covered in the movie.

Shame you can't see the difference but that needs a brain too! 

Once you know the history (which Google can indeed help with) you might find that it answers some of your questions about the movie!

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At no time in the movie did they say they were Catholics. How are we supposed to know? Brains cannot work things out when the director gives us no information. That's why we ask questions on imdb.

I watched a film about the War of Independence, but it didn't explain who were the good guys and who were the bad guys between the British and the Colonials (who were also British) and the Indians (who weren't from India)... What do you think the response would be if I asked the same question here?

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Here here. I must say the American guy posing the original question is typical of that kind of viewer. Black hats and white hats mentality. Probably put coins in an IRA box back in the day because he thought it was a fight against communism or aliens
For a start when the troops arrive in Northern Ireland (for our ie YOU ie the viewer's benefit) the situation is briefly summarised when the CO explains about the Falls Road.
It's is quite shocking when someone is so ignorant, lazy or just plain stupid when they can't work out what is going on.
And the comments about Gladiator and that Mel Gibson tosh are spot on

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So while you were watching the film, did you notice how the daughter freaked out when she pulled Hook's shirt up and saw that he was wearing a British Army uniform? From your comments, I understand that you have next to no understanding Irish history but just from following the film up to that point, the daughter freaking out when she discovers that he is an soldier should have meant what to you???

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I think that 'who were the good guys and who were the bad' portion of the film is exactly what the film was trying to portray. All of the parties showed both sides of the coin, the good and the bad. So I would be hard pressed to have someone say that the film was pro Republican, pro Loyalist or even pro British Army.

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I liked the incidental detail, like the women and children being caught up in it, the Battleship Potemkin moment and the blonde bird who tried to save the two squaddies. The only slightly false note was the daughter who tried to ingratiate herself with each group of men with guns. It was like Marwood looking at Withnail when he sells him out in the Irish pub.

Marlon, Claudia & Dimby the cats 1989-2005, 2007, 2010. Clio, July 1997 - 1 May 2016.

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Good guys? Bad guys?

Typical American dumbsh!t lol

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