It would make all their lives easier if they didn't have to worry about people being after him as well as Bo.
From a story point it obviously creates more conflict for the characters and more story lines for the writers to play with.
"Sister, they don't know what to do with just one of me." Riddick
mbdyson (Sat Mar 15 2014 01:41:58)Not really. They are only after the girl, who has her is of no consequence to them. As far as the authorities are concerned, it makes for better story lines if Tate is alive because they will be on the look out for him. However, even if they faked his death, if he ever gets arrested for some reason, once they run his prints or his DNA, boom, he's discovered to still be alive. share
It would make all their lives easier if they didn't have to worry about people being after him as well as Bo.
From a story point it obviously creates more conflict for the characters and more story lines for the writers to play with.
If you saw episode 2, it was actually the search for him that started the ball rolling in the search for Bo. He was spotted with a little girl who was identified as Bo, then the amber alert etc. and all hell broke loose.
If the authorities were not looking for Tate in this case, things would have been a lot less eventful on their trip to Philly, thus easier for them.
Anyway, its an aspect of the story that gives writers more ammo to raise the stakes for the characters and make things more exciting for the viewers. Peace.
"Sister, they don't know what to do with just one of me." Riddick
If you saw episode 2, it was actually the search for him that started the ball rolling in the search for Bo. He was spotted with a little girl who was identified as Bo, then the amber alert etc. and all hell broke loose.
If the authorities were not looking for Tate in this case, things would have been a lot less eventful on their trip to Philly, thus easier for them.
If you saw episode 2, it was actually the search for him that started the ball rolling in the search for Bo. He was spotted with a little girl who was identified as Bo, then the amber alert etc. and all hell broke loose.
If the authorities were not looking for Tate in this case, things would have been a lot less eventful on their trip to Philly, thus easier for them.
I was thinking the same thing.
It's all warm and fuzzy to have given Bo to her dad to protect, but Dad is a death row inmate who has escaped from prison. Every Law Enforcement Agency in the country, local and federal, is going to be looking for him. His picture plastered on every news outlet. Plus, all the mercenaries that Skouras sends after them.
Add to that the Amber alert on Bo herself and you have one massively bad plan. You would think a guy like Milton (?) was smarter than that.
If they had at least faked Tate's execution/death, that gets rid of like 90% of the people looking for them. Then they're just dodging the mercenaries, who want to keep things quiet as well. The police going after a fugitive don't have to keep anything quiet.
Bo would be easier to disguise as a kid. Also, in time she will age and her looks will change somewhat. Harder to do with a grown man.
At least if you're using a fugitive as your security guard, why not get them out of country where he won't be top of the most wanted list? But no, instead, hand him a bag or money and wish them good luck.
Did I say it was a massively bad plan?
"I am allowed to think everyone is stupid for 10 minutes."-- Randy Susan Meyers
It's all warm and fuzzy to have given Bo to her dad to protect, but Dad is a death row inmate who has escaped from prison.
It wouldn't bother me as much if Tate was at all competent.
GaelinW (Mon Mar 17 2014 17:53:30)Wow, you make it seem like he was in prison one day and then decided, on his own, the break out and find some random girl to protect from harm, instead of it already being decided for him with the only decision for him to make being whether he will agree to do it or not.
It would be nice if he were actually capable of protecting there instead of just bumbling into protecting her. AND not have the entire country on the lookout for them.
It's also not like he was specially trained to protect her, he's having to figure it out along the way.
After all, if you can't spell "her" correctly (you spelled it as "there"), then I would hate to imagine the harder things you aren't capable of, such as how to try to get some spending money.
GaelinW (Mon Mar 17 2014 19:13:18)Because you're busy acting like Tate is incapable (even said it) instead of just untrained. share
And you felt a need to make your comment a personal attack on me instead of sticking to fictional characters discussed in the post why?
Because you're busy acting like Tate is incapable (even said it) instead of just untrained.
GaelinW (Mon Mar 17 2014 19:20:28)Depends. Can you learn the difference between incapable and untrained? share
So? This is a board where we are supposed to discuss characters in a tv show, usually fictional. I expressed an opinion on Tate. You disagree. Fair enough. Why sink to the low of a personal attack on the poster instead of just arguing against the post?
Can't you make your argument/express your opinion without doing so?
Depends. Can you learn the difference between incapable and untrained?
GaelinW (Mon Mar 17 2014 19:23:25)Hmmm...a lack of an answer to a very simple question. Looks like we have an answer.
Depends. Can you learn the difference between incapable and untrained?
Hmmm...another personal attack. Looks like we have an answer.
Attacking someone's grammar or spelling is for intellectual retards. These boards are about discussion, not critiquing written English.
shareSoulmai (Fri Mar 21 2014 19:15:07)Okay so these boards are not for critiquing people, yet you're doing it? Hope you have insurance coverage on that glass house of yours. share
Attacking someone's grammar or spelling is for intellectual retards. These boards are about discussion, not critiquing written English.
"It would be nice if he were actually capable of protecting there instead of just bumbling into protecting her."
From a story perspective though, it's much more fun to see the main character DEVELOP skills along the way, rather than being the ULTIMATE protector from the get go!
That's probably why not only Tate, but also Bo, are very weak in their skills right now. I believe the writers want Tate and Bo to get stronger as the series progresses.
From a story perspective though, it's much more fun to see the main character DEVELOP skills along the way, rather than being the ULTIMATE protector from the get go!
kramsey20 (Mon Mar 17 2014 15:18:12)Well, good thing that he's competent, just having to adjust to his new found freedom while also adjusting to being on the run with someone in tow.
It wouldn't bother me as much if Tate was at all competent.
I was thinking if they faked Tate's death, that would make him footloose and fancy free. He could easily skip out on Bo without needing Winters team for his own protection as well as hers. But this last episode they addressed the idea of Tate leaving Bo behind and, for some reason, Winters says he wouldn't do that. And there were lots of instances in where Tate could have let Bo go, but each time he fought hard for her - I liked that part of it. I guess there's nothing to be done about him being a fugitive now, the organization and FBI know he's with her.
shareEven if they had faked his death, it would have been figured out soon enough that he's still alive, so why bother?
shareTrue. He keeps getting seen.
Also, it isn't exactly like something you can just wave your hand and do. You need a dead body about the same age/height/weight, with the same kind of bone structure and coloring, in comparable overall health, its dental records need to match, any old bone breaks or surgeries need to match, you have to obscure the fingerprints... even if you're going to burn it, it still has to meet these requirements. Amazing amounts of information can be extrapolated from mostly incinerated remains. And if it's actually so completely incinerated as to be unidentifiable entirely (which requires perfectly staggering temperatures due to the durability of teeth), then no one's going to think it's Tate!
And, given that Tate was on Death Row, he most likely has DNA on record as well. Which, well, that makes it impossible.
This isn't the kind of world where you mop up everything.
ToHelenBackAgain (Mon Mar 17 2014 13:34:07)Wouldn't have to be that complex, as there are ways to forge that stuff without an extreme amount work. However, once it's discovered that he's still alive, then all the work that DID go into it would be wasted. Also, any organization that files the paperwork of his death would come into question and if it's ever needed in the future to claim he's dead, then it would be doubted unless there is some separate confirmation.
Also, it isn't exactly like something you can just wave your hand and do. You need a dead body about the same age/height/weight, with the same kind of bone structure and coloring, in comparable overall health, its dental records need to match, any old bone breaks or surgeries need to match, you have to obscure the fingerprints... even if you're going to burn it, it still has to meet these requirements. Amazing amounts of information can be extrapolated from mostly incinerated remains.
...do a quick exam to forge up dental records, medical history, etc, then swap those for Tate's.That would take a conspiracy of hundreds, at least, including many people from his past, a host within the prison system, and the office of the DA who prosecuted him, among others. It really can't be done.
ToHelenBackAgain (Mon Mar 17 2014 14:51:12)You're over thinking it. A small group of people to swap out the records that they can, centered mostly on the one making the I.D. so that as far as they are concerned, it's Tate. You would only need to replace enough records to cover what would be checked (within reason) to confirm that it's him. After all, if you have dental and medical records that match up to the body you found, are you really going to go checking with everyone and their uncle and be like, "Do you know who this was?" You only do that if there's a reason to question the records. Keep in mind you're not changing Tate's identity, you're just trying to get him declared by someone who doesn't know who he is.
...do a quick exam to forge up dental records, medical history, etc, then swap those for Tate's.
That would take a conspiracy of hundreds, at least, including many people from his past, a host within the prison system, and the office of the DA who prosecuted him, among others. It really can't be done.
ToHelenBackAgain (Mon Mar 17 2014 14:51:12)Regardless of when it's done (if it's done at all), he would eventually be found out. The trick would be to save it for when it becomes absolutely necessary, with the expectation that it would only buy him some time but not much. share
But we agree this doesn't matter anyway, since he's just going to be spotted again.
They'll probably fake Tate's death later in the series. They have to have SOME ideas for later episodes.
shareAfter 3 episodes I find myself asking the question "why don't they just...." more and more often. They are coming close to making it a ridiculous and annoying program. Her psychokinetic abilities are more believable than the pathetically poor planning and sloppiness of the people that are supposed to be helping them. Literal geniuses that seem to not be able to help but to place them either in the cops or Skouras' face. They gave him a perfect fake ID BEFORE they had hacked into the database and then freak because the PD ran the thing? Oh gimme a break. And they pick a safe house that is in a very high profile part of the heart of NYC that has cameras on nearly every corner and a high concentration of police. In fact the team continues to appear completely amazed at such obvious responses as the Amber Alart being activated. And Winter's unwavering faith that a little girl who doesn't know where or when they are supposed to be anywhere and freezes when she gets yelled at is somehow going to "push"(pun intended) them to be at a rendezvous point on time comes from where? And we see more of the same surprised looks when they get held up in, of all things, NYC traffic. Well duh.
I'm not one of those that don't like the show and just want to complain about it. I loved the first two episodes. But this third installment did indeed have some very annoying and irritating segments such as those mentioned above. Perhaps the writers should watch "Firestarter" or "Push" a couple more times.
Yeah, I'm definitely going to continue to watch the show because I do like the basic plot line as well as most of the players. I really do hope that this third episode is not an indication of how the next 5 are going to go. I can see this being another "Point Pleasant" if it is.
They could at least tell Tate, who may be out of date with regards to technology having been in prison for some time, that facial recognition is a thing so he wouldn't do things like go into a casino, and get his photo taken for posting onto a social networking site.
And also, could they not tell him to wear less suspicious clothing and shave his beard off? He looks fairly generic. He'd hide in plain sight better if he didn't dress like that. He could either go clean shaven and All-American, or go all hipster and get a weird mustache and wear vests and hats and monocles and eyeliner. He'd get so easily dismissed in a crowd!
And Bo could just, I dunno, dye her hair and get a tan.