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I feel like I need a psychology lesson to understand how you are applying the term "incestuous" to Winter and Bo's relationship. From what I can find, Lacanianism was an attempt to re-interpret Freud, and Freud is most associated with linking pretty much all human interaction back to sex. I guess that's what you are trying to do here. If not, could you clarify what you mean by Winter's "incestuous" desire?

I am not very knowledgeable on Lacan either, but I follow the postmodern theologian Peter Rollins who applies Lacanian ideas to Christianity, so I have picked up enough of it; plus, I have read a lot of Freud so it is not hard to pick up on it. From my understanding then, Lacan says that a child has an original incestuous desire for the Mother. The child wants to be the object of love for the Mother, and wants to be that which completes her. The Name of the Father (symbolic not real) is the Big Other that disrupts the incestuous desire between the child and the Mother. The child discovers that the Mother has a lack within herself that cannot be filled by child. The child becomes symbolically castrated, being separated from that Oneness of Incestuous Desire. However, that incestuous desire does not merely disappear. It becomes sublimated and takes on cultural qualities. We can sublimate this desire in politics, religion, love of another, etc.

So what I basically mean by Winter's incestuous desire is that he believes that if he could just turn Bo into the New Messiah then everything would be right in the world and that he can be complete. He is searching for the primordial oneness with the Mother, but it only an illusion. He will never be able to achieve it because life is just too messy. It is an incestuous desire because it is marked by pain (jouissance); it is forbidden and rightly so. Winter was willing to risk Nina's life and he is willing to risk Bo's for this desire, hurt the people he is most fond of.

I am not sure any of that was clear. It is called incestuous by Lacan because it is a repeat of a foundational, defining experience that happens in childhood. What Winter desires most is his incestuous desire for the New Messiah and the people he actually loves are subject to his obsessive drive marked by pain (jouissance). Only once he lays down that obsession, can he truly begin to appreciate those around him. Only then can he be free from a pain that can never be achieved anyway. He has to let Bo be a kid and live a normal life and give up his substitute for incest with the Mother.

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you are trying to get an explanation from someone that has quoted something without actually appreciating what they have said.

Freud had a distorted view of the world and the human condition and he is widely thought to have had one as well. Lacanian interpretation of that condition simply tries to adopt that distortion into a more usable form. The problem with that is that if the basic premise was flawed then subsequent extrapolations based upon that premise are flawed as well.

Give me Jung any day :)

btw... Winter was simply trying to adopt a slower approach to development as early excessive use of these skills seems to cause too many health problems. He wasn't saying don't do it. He was saying don't do too much. The problem that was the powers would also be very helpful in their position too so there was a dichotomy.

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