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Reading the novel spoilers

posted 7 years ago by janelsenor (2044)
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Just picked it up. Only about 20 pages in. So far, it’s all extra stuff. Not even to where the movie begins.

The neatest part so far is Luke has a dream where he never left Tatooine and “got involved”. It’s a neat little sequence.

EDIT 1: There is a whole theme focusing on Finn's determination to protect Rey. Rose is frustrated by this and even a little jealous. I wish this had been kept in the movie. This is cut dialogue mostly, not cut scenes.

EDIT 2: One interesting note: In the TFA novelization, there is an extra scene where Rey and Poe meet. This was contradicted when TLJ came out, as the movie shows Rey and Poe first meet on the Falcon after the battle on Crait. The TLJ novelization, however, omits this part, making the novelizations consistent with each other.

[–] Volley (3433) 7 years ago

Are the sequel trilogy novelizations canon? Seems interesting.

[–] janelsenor (2044) 7 years ago

Not sure. The TFA novelization has already had a part retconned by TLJ. In the TFA novelization, there’s an extra scene where Rey meets Poe. This is obviously retconned in TLJ, where it is established Rey and Poe had not met previously.

[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

Yes...all material since acquisition has been canon...novels,graphic novels and television. Lucasfilm has a group that is in charge of continuity...

[–] janelsenor (2044) 7 years ago

Pablo Hidalgo did say novelizations are a grey area....

[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

OMG...you are right...quasicanon??? I was playing nice...I left it at there is a group in charge of continuity...I left out what a fucking joke that group happens to be...but since you brought it up...quasicanon...I've seen it all now! Sorry to volley for my poor info...the correct answer is as Jane stated...who the fuck knows?

[–] Volley (3433) 7 years ago

I thought I had read that too somewhere, that movie novelizations are yet are not at the same time, the grey area exactly.

[–] lordbishop34 (1442) 7 years ago

I think its pretty much like it was before, movie canon comes before the EU. SO if there is a contradiction it goes in the favor of the movie as far as canon is concerned.

[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

I agree to a certain extent. Before we had one man making all the calls, and even though often bad calls, I do respect that approach...it's mine...fuck you if you don't like it! Now we have a multi million dollar team whose soul purpose is making sure the stories are correct in canon and continuity...in other words...to AVOID gray areas or quasi canon situations. Marvel seems to understand...maybe they can give lucasfilm some pointers😉

[–] janelsenor (2044) 7 years ago

I think it's just the film novelizations due the nature of how novelizations are done. They are written based off earlier screenplays, etc. So they may contain a lot of cut content from the film. The thing is with a film series, cut content from one film often ends up in the next one.

This happened with ANH. There was a scene where R2 electrocutes himself by plugging into a power socket. It was cut from the movie but still remained in the novelization. The scene was actually included in the film version of ESB and also appeared in that novelization. By reading the novelizations of the OT, you basically have to believe that actually happened twice.

I view novelizations as just getting a glimpse at the creative process and just seeing what other ideas were out there. I don't necessarily hold them as canon.

[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

And I'm of the opinion that multi millions should be earned...the problem is far from just contained to the film novelizations. Take the aftermath series or bloodline (canon...or whatever passes for such) for example...loads of backstory that is pertinent to the sequel trilogy...all dismissed in TLJ...even key plot points from TFA...dismissed. The entire writing group seems to be taking their instructions from rain Johnson...they are all writing starwars with white out and erasers.

[–] janelsenor (2044) 7 years ago

I don't see how Bloodline was dismissed in TLJ. I haven't read the Aftermath series.

[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

REALLY??? totally dismissing the big Vader is her father reveal...and all of the fallout? The way holdo was portrayed between the two? NO WEXLEYS???

[–] janelsenor (2044) 7 years ago

Ummmm. When would the Vader reveal/fallout come up and be relevant to mention in TLJ? That seems like a bit of an odd complaint.

And Holdo wasn't in Bloodline. She's in Claudia Grey's last book.

[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

I've noticed that to some...all complaints are odd. The vader relevance might have come up when the whole galaxy said go fuck yourself Leia.

[–] janelsenor (2044) 7 years ago

The Republic turned on Leia, which is why she started a separate Resistance.

In TLJ, they were calling on Resistance allies, not Republic allies. People allied with the Resistance were still loyal to Leia.

[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

Rain...is that you?😂

[–] janelsenor (2044) 7 years ago

Actually, the part about the Resistance being loyal to Leia probably came from JJ. It was followed up in the books like Bloodline.

[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

Rain...at this point I'm not interested in the wreck you have made of star wars...if we are going to do this I would much rather get down to the nitty gritty of that speech impediment!
Is it loose dentures, tounge too large for your mouth...or is it those itty bitty teenie weenie little baby corn teeth of yours? Also....your laugh...reminiscent of the little fem guy that was friends with maud lebowski...highschool had to be murder for you!

[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

I don't give a DAMN about movie novelisations. The movie should stand by itself. It's just a way of Disney making money out of suckers like you.

[–] janelsenor (2044) 7 years ago

No one said the movie needed a novelization. The movie is fine on its own. The novelization is just a curiosity.

[–] maul (1635) 7 years ago

Haha, the movie is NOT fine on its own. It's an abomination, and this is in fact Disney's way of fixing what they fucked up, trying to sucker fans who disliked the movie into purchasing the book. It's all trash.

[–] janelsenor (2044) 7 years ago

The book isn't "fixing" anything. It's a novelization similar to the prequel novelizations.

If you didn't like the movie, the book won't change your mind.

[–] Frogarama (12942) 7 years ago

Disney didn't start that. Novelizations have been done from the beginning.

Hell, the first one was published six months before the movie's release: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_IV:_A_New_Hope_(novel)

[–] janelsenor (2044) 7 years ago

Yeah. Lucas was all about the novelizations being more expansive too. The prequel novelizations all included much more detail than the movies.

[–] Frogarama (12942) 7 years ago

Reminds me of people slamming Disney for selling SW toys. Lucas was a one man Disney all the way back in the 70s.

[–] SMUPony (20) 7 years ago

Rather than slamming Disney for selling SW toys, I more often see them laughing at Disney for NOT selling any of them ;)

[–] Frogarama (12942) 7 years ago

Especially the Last Jedi toys, which are mostly so boring... Since Rian Johnson approved mostly boring designs for his few additions. Seeing those designs was my first warning sign that he didn't put any real creativity into the movie.

[–] MichaelPacino (179) 7 years ago

One of my biggest issues was the relationship between Rose and Finn, because it could've been done so much better. I feel if the casino scene was less about the politics, and more on their relationship, audiences would have tolerated that section more.

[–] janelsenor (2044) 7 years ago

Yeah. It is explored better in the novel. I agree with you that more emphasis should have been kept on their relationship, even if we had to cut a few shots of weepy-eyed suffering space-llamas for it....

[–] janelsenor (2044) 7 years ago

One interesting note: In the TFA novelization, there is an extra scene where Rey and Poe meet. This was contradicted when TLJ came out, as the movie shows Rey and Poe first meet on the Falcon after the battle on Crait. The TLJ novelization, however, omits this part, making the novelizations consistent with each other.

[–] TexasJack (12516) 7 years ago

I think TFA had a cut scene where Rey and Poe meet.

[–] janelsenor (2044) 7 years ago

Yes, that is what I was referring to. The TFA novelization has this scene. To keep the novelizations consistent, Jason Fry removed the scene where they meet aboard the Falcon in TLJ.

In the books, Rey and Poe meet on the Resistance base in TFA.

In the films, Rey and Poe meet on the Falcon after the Battle of Crait.