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Just how can anyone like Disney’s iteration of SW?


Didn’t watch any of the sequels, reading spoilers and plot summaries sufficed. So after Ep. VI things fell astray somehow, this First Order came to be somehow (as opposed to knowing exactly what’s the backstory of the Empire) and Luke became a failed man living like a hermit. Protagonist comes out of nowhere and is somehow capable to master Jedi techniques effortlessly while 9 year old Anakin with his record high midichlorian count given his unnatural conception was initially deemed unfit to be a Jedi for being too old and in any case required over a decade of training. How can anyone consider sequels to have a good plot, regardless of how well it was implemented? Presumably not very well, I've seen http://fandom.wikia.com/articles/the-last-jedi-physics which pointed out some goofs like ships running out of fuel in space and bombing in zero gravity.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2920541/George-Lucas-says-new-Star-Wars-film-not-envisioned-it.html
George Lucas had already been planning to make a seventh Star Wars film before he sold his company Lucasfilm to Disney.

When the auteur handed over his iconic franchise he also gave the studio his plotline for Star Wars: Episode 7.

Disney, however, did not use any of the 70-year-old filmmakers ideas for the new installment.

Speaking with Cinema Blend, Lucas revealed that none of his original ideas made it into the J.J. Abrams reboot.

'The ones that I sold to Disney, they came up to the decision that they didn't really want to do those,' the iconic director said.

'So they made up their own. So it's not the ones that I originally wrote.'

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-force-awakens-new-hope-plot-b/
Star Wars: The Force Awakens was a return to form for the Star Wars series, both in terms of storytelling and in terms of making boatloads of money. The movie was beloved enough by fans to recently earn an MTV Movie Award for Movie of the Year, and that was well after it crossed the $2 billion mark in box office earnings during its theatrical run.

Some, however, felt that the movie was a little too close to its roots, particularly in comparison to A New Hope. It follows a similar group of characters (Rey as the Luke character and Kylo Ren as the Darth Vader character, for instance) and some very familiar plot points, including the basically-the-Death-Star-but-bigger Starkiller Base. It’s easy to write those things off as a bit of lazy trope recycling for the series, but director J.J. Abrams says there was a reason for the similarities.

Abrams spoke to Chris Rock at the Tribeca Film Festival about that reason, and says that it was to provide a familiar jumping-off point for audiences when introducing the new storyline that will drive the sequels to come. IGN offers a transcription of Abrams’ comments (via Slashfilm):

“This movie [The Force Awakens] was a bridge and a kind of reminder; the audience needed to be reminded what Star Wars is, but it needed to be established with something familiar, with a sense of where we are going to new lands, which is very much what 8 and 9 do. The weird thing about that movie is that it had been so long since the last one. Obviously the prequels had existed in between and we wanted to, sort of, reclaim the story. So we very consciously — and I know it is derided for this — we very consciously tried to borrow familiar beats so the rest of the movie could hang on something that we knew was Star Wars.”

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Actually, George's beginning of Episode 7 was used here as the start of Episode 8, basically. It even looks almost exactly like the concept art he had commissioned, which is in the Last Jedi art book.

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What, Poe prank calling Huxley and then bombing a Dreadnought before jumping to hyperdrive only to be tracked for the next two hours?

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Oops, ha! I keep forgetting that the movie doesn't start with Luke and Rey on the island.

No, as flawed as his ideas may be, George Lucas definitely wouldn't structure a movie around a plot thread as thin and uninteresting as the slow speed chase concept here.

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So far, the only bad thing about Disney buying Star Wars has been the dismantling of LucasArts.

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Ugh. It’s all such a goddamn mess now.

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