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C'est qoui ce bordel? Finale thoughts.

posted 9 years ago by moe_shall
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can someone explain? or do we have to wait another 3 years for a clear explanation?

[–] dundundunn 9 years ago

Ahhh! It's going to take so long until we non-Francophone people get the subtitles, and the answers. What happened? Did they leave off with another cliffhanger? Why don't we have more French-speaking users who're spoiling the ending for the more curious ones (with the appropriate tags, of course).

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[–] luca-altair 9 years ago

No, there was no cliffhanger. Also, there (probably) won't be a Season 3.

[–] dundundunn 9 years ago

Oh, all right. That's quite a relief. Thank you so much!

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[–] defunked 9 years ago

Haha, I was thinking the same thing! The subs were really bad, worse than any previous ones ... even the most basic stuff was totally off, e.g. "This way" would be translated to "by what" ...

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[–] sh4nnon 9 years ago

https://www.sous-titres.eu/series/les_revenants.html Here are all season 2 english subs translated perfectly. There is a zip for each episode depending on which torrent you download. I watched the PoLY releases.

[–] dtaylo-37397 9 years ago

Spoilers, obviously...

My interpretation of the ending was that the reason Victor/Louis looked horrified was because he had a premonition of Lucy leaving baby Nathan on the doorstep of the house. This was the same thing that had happened to him and was what had inadvertently set off the chain of events that had led to the spirits returning. I suspect he would probably be furiously drawing a picture of what was going to happen when he got home from the beach.

Although it isn't spelled out in the plot, I assumed Lucy was some sort of guardian angel tasked with guiding the sprits to the great beyond. As Nathan had not 'passed over', she had to find a place for him and decided on the couple who obviously had other children, given the kids bikes outside on the lawn. She had done this previously with Victor/Louis, who was also simply left on a doorstep and taken in by the occupants – if you remember the scene where she first turns up in Milan's bar, she says words to the effect that she's in town to see a little boy, but she can't find him.

Just for the record: the English subtitles for the later episodes were very poor and either missed out big chunks of the dialogue or else skirted around some of the more elliptical lines so that a lot of the subtlety was lost. This made things particularly difficult when you were already trying to piece together elements of the story from the clues buried in the flashbacks.

[–] dundundunn 9 years ago

Oh my God, thank you! Yes, that makes a lot of sense, especially now that I remember Lucy originally talking about finding a boy.

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[–] songoty 9 years ago

Although it isn't spelled out in the plot, I assumed Lucy was some sort of guardian angel tasked with guiding the sprits to the great beyond. As Nathan had not 'passed over', she had to find a place for him and decided on the couple who obviously had other children, given the kids bikes outside on the lawn. She had done this previously with Victor/Louis, who was also simply left on a doorstep and taken in by the occupants – if you remember the scene where she first turns up in Milan's bar, she says words to the effect that she's in town to see a little boy, but she can't find him.

That's not what happened, though. Victor/Louis went to that family's house by himself, after he tried to warn Etienne about the dam. He wasn't taken there by Lucy, he came from nowhere.

Lucy says to Milan she's there to meet a little boy "that isn't here yet". But not as a baby, Victor/Louis was always seen in the shape of the boy we know.
It seems like she is, indeed, some sort of angel, just not above Victor/Louis, but in fact someone that it is meant to be by his side, aiding him. He was probably the one who summoned her to the town 35 years ago.

[–] user1901 9 years ago

I think what dtaylor-37397 said is still possible.
Maybe Victor, just like Nathan, has a beginning? His story starts somewhere, and Lucy was there when that happened.

Let say his orignal parents died, and maybe over the years (centuries?) he is looking for a new guardian. That's not his main purpose in this universe, obviously, but at the end of they day, he is just a child and his basic instincts and needs might be very simple. He found his Fairy (sob!) Julie and maybe his journey ended. He can "live and grow" with Julie (where? I don't know).

btw, do you guys think Victor was a "mistake"? By mistake I mean, maybe he shouldn't be here? Maybe Lucy was there to keep an eye on him and clean up the mess? Because at the end of the day, he brought back the dead by mistake.

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[–] mwmitch2 9 years ago

What Victor said to Lucy about the baby (Nathan) - something like "He can't come with us because he is like me."

[–] dundundunn 9 years ago

That seems like the logical thing for Season 3, yes.  I'd also go out on a limb and say that Nathan's story is far from finished. But it will be hard to include Victor in future seasons because there's no way to stop the actor from ageing.

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[–] user1901 9 years ago

I really hope there won't be season 3.
I think season 2 and the finale was perfect mixture of answers and mystery.
There were moments, even in the finale where they were trying to explain too freaking much. So many stories had to have "the end" mark. But overall I'm really happy.
I wasn't frustrated or anything like that. Quite the opposite. It was such a somber and often depressing show, but they managed to create a "happy ending". For me it was perfect.

[–] pardik 9 years ago

Yes, the happiest part is going to be the moment the new foster parents step into the bedroom and see that their baby boy is rotting and has turned into something we saw in the cave. We already saw in the hospital that he has started to decay and now the group who could have kept him alive is gone, so the end result of that will be bloody and funny and really happy for all parts involved.

[–] user1901 9 years ago

LOL
nah, things are looking good for little Nathan. If Victor said the kid has to stay, then Something or Someone has big plans for this cute little pie. And since we won't get season 3 (probably), I'm going to believe that he was a good and a happy kid...and he made his parents proud.

and let's face it! The most important thing was that big, lesbian happy ending...everything else was just a bonus.

[–] dundundunn 9 years ago

and let's face it! The most important thing was that big, lesbian happy ending...everything else was just a bonus.

That's the funny thing. Almost every other character had ambiguous endings for their arcs, but I was just so damn happy about Julie and Victor that I didn't care. 

And since we won't get season 3 (probably), I'm going to believe that he was a good and a happy kid...and he made his parents proud.

Who knows, he probably will never even suspect there's something different about him. So long as he doesn't inadvertently drive people to commit suicide.

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[–] pardik 9 years ago

I don't know if it's really happy if it doesn't exist. It was obviously a make-belief created by Victor in the afterworld. Victor can create pictures in people's head, remember. The nurse was not dead at all, she was just part of the picture painted by Victor to make Julie's afterworld nicer. That's what Milan meant when he said that "you can still change this, she trusts you".

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[–] dundundunn 9 years ago

That is a pretty awesome (and bone-chilling) idea.  Of course, going by how distinctly grey others' endings have been, it makes more sense for Julie's happy ending to be seriously flawed, like you said.

But I want to believe that they're still alive, and actually on some warm beach on the French coast. I don't think Victor is capable of creating illusions intentionally (he told Julie he couldn't help it), or at least holding those illusions for a lengthy period of time. Victor has been shown capable of bringing someone back from death if the death was very recent. His original papa was probably not one of the returned, considering he never did heal quickly from the coma or show signs of rotting. And this wouldn't be a first time for Julie to come back from being clinically dead. Plus there's the whole fact about her being the only of the only 'alive' persons who had an episode named after them, the others being Adele, a vessel for the foetus of one of the returned, and Toni, who died and returned himself.

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[–] CaroElisa 9 years ago

That's the funny thing. Almost every other character had ambiguous endings for their arcs, but I was just so damn happy about Julie and Victor that I didn't care.

I know! Would anyone think of poor Chloé? She got the saddest of all endings, because we have to presume that Adele and Simon are together in death, right? The only comfort I get is that she might have been adopted by the Ségurets :(
Also, Serge. It's sad because they made us hate the character, and then they made us feel sorry for him and in the end I cared so much for him, it was awful to see him abandon himself like that.
And finally, poor Yann, with zombified daughter and wife meeting her end as a revenant snack ;(

It was a very bitersweet finale, and I didn't understand it very well but deep inside I think I did.

[–] dundundunn 9 years ago

It was a very bitersweet finale, and I didn't understand it very well but deep inside I think I did.

Couldn't have said it better myself. 

Hahaha, I'd forgotten about poor Yann. He was such a sweetheart too. I thought Lena and Chloe's scenes were very touching and sweet. Lena has definitely transformed from the brash twin to the caring older sister and she'll definitely take good care of Chloe. But still, Chloe's separation from Nathan was pretty tough.

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[–] alligatoruk 9 years ago

I know! Would anyone think of poor Chloé? She got the saddest of all endings, because we have to presume that Adele and Simon are together in death, right?

I was fairly happy with the ending (and am choosing to believe Julie is still alive and Victor is living happily with her and her girlfriend) but I think the Adele and Simon outcome was the most disappointing / confusing.

I'm assuming Adele passed over to the other side by going through the caves and """marrying" Simon (btw I think the weird cave dweller was actually Simon, how he really looked, so her going with him was accepting his fate and her own) but why would she do that and leave her two children? Seems pretty selfish and unfeeling.

Totally felt for poor Chloe especially, she was completely abandoned by her parents and she was totally aware of that fact - at least Nathan might not be affected as much as he will be with the foster parents.

I think the ending should have been Adele choosing her children over Simon and finally letting him go (marred as her life has been since his death).

If there is a Series 3, then I'm thinking it might focus on Nathan, so maybe Adele & Simon will come back for him? As most of the other revenants' stories were resolved, then they probably wouldn't bring them back but having Adele, Simon, Chloe, Victor and Lucy return would make some sense and could tie in any new story to the original.

[–] Errington_92 9 years ago

But I want to believe that they're still alive, and actually on some warm beach on the French coast. I don't think Victor is capable of creating illusions intentionally (he told Julie he couldn't help it), or at least holding those illusions for a lengthy period of time. Victor has been shown capable of bringing someone back from death if the death was very recent.

This is my interpretation as well. It would offer closure to both characters, who have experienced their share of tragedy. It would also link in with the resolution of other characters, either returnees who found their place and/or their loved ones who found happiness in accepting the returnees' place.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not.

[–] karnevilelp 9 years ago

btw I think the weird cave dweller was actually Simon, how he really looked

Me too, it ties in with what Etienne says to Pierre when Etienne, Berg and Victor go to the Helping Hand after all the others have left: "No one wants revenge. We are as you want to see us". In other words, Victor would really be in his late 40's, but to others, he remains the eternal child.

[–] dundundunn 9 years ago

I'm glad you are of a similar opinion, and that's a lovely thought! 

[–] lovedml 9 years ago

I go back and forth, and I guess they left it up to our interpretation. At first there was no doubt in my mind Julie lived and they were going to live out their lives. But, then I remembered that none of the returned could ever leave that town when they tried, including Victor. So how did they get to a beach town in the sun? So, did he save her at the last minute and they lived happily ever after? Or did she die and he wished her back? In which case, they could still be sunning on the beach, it's just that they are both dead. There is still the issue of Victor being able to leave the town.

[–] paparotrago 9 years ago

But if they actually make a season 3, with the rest of the story, Victor could grow. He was the one saying that Julie is the reason he grew in the first place and the reason we saw him older in season 2. Because she loved him so much. That would be a very good reason for him to keep growing for season 3 as well.

[–] dundundunn 9 years ago

Oh, that's a very interesting revelation to me. Wonder what else I've missed in the show. Thanks for sharing that (very crucial) bit of information. And yes, Victor is definitely the heart of the show for me, so I'm happy if they could do something with him, no matter how far in the future. 

[–] moe_shall 9 years ago

I agree.

[–] karnevilelp 9 years ago

I hope they don't make a third series, it ended perfectly for me. Victor/Louis gets some semblance of a normal life, the returned go on their way and we see Nathan aka "the new Victor/Louis" being dropped off to start the cycle all over again. To do more than that would feel to me like a repetition.

[–] tsegat 9 years ago

This is one of the reasons I can't see a Season 3. The actor who plays Victor already looks quite a bit older in Season 2 and he can't age or grow for this role.

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