Johnny's mortality


I'm probably giving this more thought than it deserves but I wonder if they will ever address that he will eventually grow old and die while Mavis and her son will outlive him by hundreds of years unless he becomes a vampire himself.

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Have to admit, this thought crossed my mind, too...in both films.

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if they did a third movie it could just be about turning him

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I thought the same thing. Sooner or later she's going to have to turn him, or else he'll die while she and her son live on.

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I think this would go agains what the 1st movie tried to state. You remember when Mavis got to know Jonathan was human and said she still loved him? I´m sure she did not just say that just like that. If he would live only 70 years longer, and she probably 700, it was ok for her, because you find your zing only once and when you find it you love and cherrish him/her as he/she is.

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I asked the same exact question a couple days back.

If they make a sequel they might enter into that territory or it might be something like Mavis somehow wanting to become human.

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I think they'd go that way too. Make Mavis human.

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Well I saw it with the kids on Sunday and I don't think they're going that route. He's gotten vampire powers at the end so unless they want to redo the continuity it makes more sense that Johnny be turned at some point.

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i felt johnny was a poor immitation of his former self from the first movie.

like most of what happened was because of mavis and dracula and johnny had no choice but to follow one of them.

because of how the films 'zany' style, he'll either catch some deadly virus from a guest and being turned will be the only cure.

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vlad accidently bites/scratches him.

or the bats return and nearly kill johnny,

or in one of his 'grand schemes' he gets injured.

or dennis bites him in a tantrum.

either way it should happen within the first half / middle of the movie so we can have a fun filled second/later half or quarter of the movie with johnny 'adjusting' to being a vampire, kind of like how mavis acted in the first film.

maybe add in some uncontrollable blood lust where he goes on a bit of rampage, so everyone can go back to 'the human' world and have more fun.

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Drac implied in the 1st movie that he'd be willing to change Johnny when saying he's make a good vampire, but Johnny was oblivious and turned it into a joke by imitating him.

BTW, I understand what you're saying about Johnny's character, MiloSuperSplash. They really indicated that Johnny had become what they call (excuse my terminology) p*ssy-whipped. Drac even comments on this during the texting scene. Mavis obviously wears the pants in the relationship. But I think they were trying to imply that Johnny found his balls at the end of it during the family fights towards the end and when he arrived at the battle scene (even if it was already over), or at least knows when to step up if necessary.

Anyway, I do think that either Drac, Mavis, Dennis, or Vlad will turn him at some point. I think they're just waiting until they have to because they love each other exactly as they are, but will eventually do it at some point. I was also thinking with what lampzzt78 said, that turning Johnny could be the plot of the 3rd film. I can see Drac trying to do it secretly because, I don't know, it's against the law or something, or maybe he's afraid Mavis or Johnny's family will oppose because they love him as he is. So here's the plot I have in mind:

Noticing that Johnny is showing signs of aging, Drac starts thinking about the heartbreak he went through when he lost his wife. Not wanting Mavis and Dennis to go through that same pain, he suggests turning him, but Mavis insists that she loves Johnny as he is. Drac decides to take matters into his own hands, maybe even trying to make turning him look like an accident. Enlisting his friends' help, he tries to turn Johnny without being discovered, or maybe even setting up life threatening situations that Johnny gets caught up so the only option left is to turn him or else he'd die. But these plans keep backfiring on him in some way, much like how he tried to bring put Dennis' vampirism. The real problems start when a vampire hunter, perhaps a descendent of Van Helsing, arrives to check out the hotel, so Drac has to also try and make the hunter think it's a human hotel by having everyone pretend their human.
Of course, at some point Mavis finds out that Drac is secretly trying to turn Johnny, causing a big argument. This argument is overheard by the vampire hunter, who realizes that this IS a monster hotel after all, and he tries to kill Drac, Mavis, and Dennis. Just before he shoots Mavis, Johnny steps in to defend her, taking the hit, but they both go down. And as the vampire hunter moves in for the kill on either Drac or Dennis, Johnny comes back, revealing that Mavis bit him to save his life, and defeats the vampire hunter.
After it's all over, Johnny reveals that he's completely cool with being a vampire, and so is his family when they find out.

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darn it yours sounds better than mine well played !

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Thanks. Maybe I'll suggest the idea to my friend who likes to write fanfiction.

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I have a feeling that in this universe you have to be born a monster and not turned. If they could turn humans into vampires then why was the idea of the kid not being a vampire such a big deal when they could simply turn him when he got older?

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Good spoken

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Because it was about accepting someone for who they were, not who you wanted them to be. To turn Dennis would indicate that being human was inferior. Besides, that'd probably be traumatizing for a 5 year old. Besides, as Johnny stated in the 2nd movie, he was proud of his human family. Why give it up being human unnecessarily? Besides, being a vampire has its drawbacks too. Can't go out in the sun, need to drink blood, allergic to garlic, no reflection, won't appear in pictures, etc. Enjoy being human while you can.

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But if you can change a human to a vampire then Drac shouldn't gave stressed as much as he did and simply wait till Dennis was old enough and gave him a choice to become a vampire. The movie made it seem that either you are a human or a vampire but can't be both.

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I don't think he wanted to TURN him into a vampire, he wanted him to BE a vampire. It was more meaningful that way. He loved Dennis whether he was human or vampire, but wanted him to be a vampire. Besides, Mavis would be PISSED if he did turn him. She loved and accepted Johnny for being human, and Dennis (as she believed him to be human), and didn't want to change them into something they weren't. And Dennis wasn't exactly old enough to make that decision for himself. True, he may have wanted to stay at the hotel, but being 5, he wouldn't truly understand what being turned meant until he was older.

Besides, the whole thing about vampires is that they turn humans into vampires. That's the #1 ability all vampires possess. Whether they have all their magic and powers or not, whether they're undead, or a species, no matter what the case, in all media, vampires can turn others into vampires. So to say that vampires can't turn would practically be unethical, random, and not really make sense, especially since there's no implication of it, thus no one would even consider it being a possibility unless otherwise stated.

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Well if it was possible to change humans into vampires they could have said something about it being an option when Dennis gets old enough to choose to be a vampire. Why wouldn't the mother be supportive of her son wanting to choose to be a vampire? Also why not offer it as an option to Johnny? Johnny seemed to love monsters would would jump at the chance to actually be one.

There are many different versions of vampires. So it is possible in this universe of vampires that you can only be a vampire if you are born one. Since they have not said anything about it I don't think you can change humans into monsters. That is why it is so important to be able to accept humans for being humans.

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I still say it's a matter of accepting someone for who they (as the film promotes) vs changing someone to who/what you want them to be (which Mavis opposed).

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But since they don't even show it as an option in the two movies I don't think it is an option. I think in this universe you are either born a vampire or human, but can't be both.

I think they should have added a line about it as an option but Drac could say it is a very painful process. That way it explains why they don't use it as an option. Then the third movie could be about being willing to go through that pain.

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Unless something is otherwise stated, it's standard to expect the norm. Lets just agree to disagree.

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Well ya, they could change things in the next movie to have it so humans can be turned. Still two fun movies.

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There are many different versions of vampires. So it is possible in this universe of vampires that you can only be a vampire if you are born one. Since they have not said anything about it I don't think you can change humans into monsters. That is why it is so important to be able to accept humans for being humans.


I agree with you. Since always there exist many interpretations of these things, so in this universe of HT its possible that monsters are just born monsters, and biteing one human would only kill him and not turn

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