When will people realize this is just as bad as the other two?
Hopefully soon
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shareSatan2016's showing his (very) young age again! xD
MovieChat Forums > Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015) Discussion > When will people realize this is just as...
I thought I would come to this.
I hated the prequels, but that was exhausting. So when Force Awakens came out, I tried very hard to like it.
And there were things I still didn't like, but I decided to be positive and I "liked the movie" when it came out. I thought it was "adequate" which for me was a damnation of faint praise, but it's a mark a far cry above what I gave the prequels.
I thought The Force Awakens had a lot of promise, but I had a mix of hope/fear of what would come next.
I said, "we won't know wether Force Awakens is actually good until the trilogy is complete" since so many things went unexplained in the movie. If they were able to successfully close all of the open items in later films, then we could look at the first movie and say it was truly good.
But if the later movies were terrible, then it would make The Force Awakens a fine bridge to craptown. Depending on your thoughts on Lost Season 6- it might be something like that.
I, for one, did not like Episodes 8 or 9, and I thought this would really retroactively tank my perception of 7 being "adequate". But upon rewatching it, I actually found I still enjoyed The Force Awakens, and I think that's based on the optimism the movie itself presents, and the pure love it exudes for "good Star Wars" even if it's not quite there itself.
I still like it. I still don't like 8 or 9. Weird.
And now, from memory, a list of things 7 left open, but were never revisited. (Probably in new EU books or comics, but I gave up on those):
How did Maz get Luke's lightsaber?
A story for another time?
Why is Poe 20x better than any other pilot in galactic history? Is it the force?
Does Finn have the force? A little, even?
Why can Rey learn all of the force powers with no teacher? Just bad writing? Or something clever?
What does "the force awakens" even mean?
Snoke?
In the novel, Snoke says he saw the rise and fall of the empire?
How did the New Order appear out of nowhere and already so militarized?
Replying to myself here...
I guess I could have just posted a link to this other thread:
https://moviechat.org/tt2488496/Star-Wars-Episode-VII-The-Force-Awakens/629b90e3ffeb066f51dc0a92/Sequels-ruined-this-movie
Basically the same ideas.
Many people already have at this point. The Force Awakens is actually the worst & deserves the most criticism out of the DI$NEY sequels, as the others (TLJ in especially) had no choice but to attempt to build off of the incompetent, disjointed mess that was cobbled together by a cynical, corporate desecration of Star Wars disguised as cheap fan service. Sure TFA still has a few hapless defenders who IMO got nothing less than what they deserved for unapologetically eating that shit sandwich.
shareAnother idiot! Ever notice that rating at the top right?
shareWait, you're saying that 8 and 9 are better than frickin' 7!?!
A few hapless defenders, you need to reword that to a few hapless haters, this movie was very popular and very successful, it was a good start to an overall flawed trilogy, didn't have to be that way. its certainly not the worst of the trilogy, that goes to TLJ.
shareNever, because it isn't.
shareTHEY WON'T...WHILE NOT A GREAT FILM...THE FORCE AWAKENS IS AT THE VERY LEAST A GOOD FILM AND A SOLID START TO A NEW TRILOGY...IT FELL APART FAIRLY COMPLETELY AFTER THE FORCE AWAKENED...BUT THE FIRST FILM GETS IT'S CREDIT...6/10
shareNo, it's not, it's a fucking lame remake of A New Hope, which is still good as it is decades later.
THERE WAS NO RUN AWAY STORMTROOPER IN A NEW HOPE...HAN DIDN'T GET SHANKED IN A NEW HOPE...ETC ETC...IT IS NOT A REMAKE...UNLESS YOU ARE A SIMPLETON.π
shareIts not a remake rather than using the same template for which A New Hope was made, to say its a remake is weak, its an entertaining movie, i enjoyed watching it when it was released, the trailers had me seriously invested and looking forward to its release, something ive not experienced since Return of the Jedi
shareIt's a horrible, unoriginal, contrived movie. I mean, things conveniently happen from one moment to the next out of sheer dumb luck just to advance the plot, which is hard to swallow.
The worst offender is the Falcon being lost to Solo for years, and then all of a sudden, he's reunited with it, for the benefit of him and Chewie as well as Rey and Finn, solely down to a chase and escape? In the SAME STAR SYSTEM???
Or the stupid Starkiller Base: that thing is in one star system, the target is in another star system entire, and Maz's planet just happens to be on a THIRD star system inbetween them and the protagonists can SEE the beams going from one to the other? Star systems are huge, and the distances between them are much bigger still, at least three light years, and light doesn't carry that far or that fast!! Abrams has no comprehension of physics or spatial relationships!!!
"its an entertaining movie" - It's a fucking pile of ridiculous shit compared to the previous six movies!
"i enjoyed watching it when it was released" - There must've been shit all else in the cinema for you to watch this excrement!
"the trailers had me seriously invested and looking forward to its release" - Oh, the much-vaunted "Chewie, we're home", yes? How about I WANTED TO SEE NEW CHARACTERS???
If you think this then star wars aint for you kid, the same could be said about the OT if you go deep and use your same arguments. Us true star wars fans appreciated what they tried to do, not go prequel territory, but keep it somewhere in between, a bit of old and new. It ticked the boxes in that respect, it aint perfect, but it could of been alot worse, it did what it needed to do.
shareThe thing is a lot of people hate the second two for their stories. This film played it very, very safe. I've only seen it once but I recall thinking it was almost like a remake of Star Wars (1977).
So I doubt it'll ever been seen as bad as the other two.
TFA was like a remake of Star Wars like the way Star Trek Into Darkness was a remake of Star Trek II Wrath of Khan - under the guise of it being an alternate universe depiction of the Star Trek II events, with TFA it was the Lucas circular thing. the 'its like poetry. it rhymes ' thing
shareSo it's not an exact remake, it's still rehashing mostly old plot points, just dressing them up as something new, but we all see through the emperor's new clothes (and I don't mean Palpatine).