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Not even Charlize could save this screenplay


This may be the best example I've seen that talented actors can't overcome a bad script. I had to have a drink to get through this movie (30 minutes too long, btw). I love Charlize but not even she could save this one, probably friends with the director/screenplay guy and trying to help him out. This one sucked folks. Yup, I said it, so have at it.

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Yea that's how I felt about Snow White and the Huntsman too

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I agree

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I don't mean to sound like a hater, but it is just that I expect top notch stuff from Charlize because she can be SO good. With this project, it seems that she was just throwing a friend a bone. I agree with you, not the worst movie ever but I was disappointed for sure, cheers.

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She has a producing credit on this

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RE: She has a producing credit on this

LOL. The closing credits list dozens of producers on this humongous production. I think her cousin's dog sitter has a producing credit.

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I have the same thoughts. This movie didn't have to be close to 2 hours.

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I have seen lots of movies that fit that description. Usually people blame the actors for the movie stinking. But, here it was so clearly not their fault. Charlize deserved a much better script.

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Not even Charlize could save this screenplay
I'm clearly in the minority on this thread because unlike the rest of you Charlize Theron isn't the type of actress that I would write or say "not even she can save a movie".I think she gave a Oscar winning performance in Monster(she completely transformed and not just her physical appearance).However other than that her acting TO ME is .I reserve comments like"not even insert _ actress name could save this movie" for Meryl Streep and Cate Blanchett.In MY OPINION Meryl Streep and Cate Blanchett has NEVER given a bad or mediocre performance.They always turn in outstanding or good performances.Again this is just my opinion.

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I agree about her not being Meryl, but who is? You are talking about one of the great screen actors ever in Meryl Streep.

Cate tends to be above average but she still has moments that I'll bet she would love a do-over. Like her performance in "Little Fish", which was WAY melodramatic to the point of being cringeworthy.

My point with the post was that Charlize is an A lister . . . and this turd of a film is not worthy of any A list actress.

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Yeah Cate has definitely had her time. She is not in Meryl's league.

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I agree, love me some Cate (on occasion) but she is no Meryl Streep for sure.

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Wasn't a bad script, just deep and multi-layered. Intelligent plots just aren't profitable, because only a small percentage of the market will understand what's going on. It's like the difference between pulp fiction and fine literature. Everyone reads pulp and they teach lit in school so people will know it exists. People that write pulp would rather be writing literature, but it just doesn't pay the bills. People that make movies probably feel the same way - probably gets pretty boring making films even a garbage can could understand. But to try and attempt something better, they better have a big name. Charlize was available. Doesn't mean it'll work.

High and fine literature is wine, and mine is only water; but everybody likes water - Mark Twain

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"Deep and multi-layered"!? Sorry, but did you watch the same dumbed-down movie that I did? The writing in this movie is opposite of what you described (see the ridiculously high rating for this turd as an example) . . . it is Charlize throwing a friend a bone to get them started probably.

I appreciate the comment but you are WAY off on this one. I used to teach, and I had 6th graders turn in better writing than this. The screenplay sucks folks.

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Yeah, maybe I wasn't clear enough. This movie, based off a novel, tried to be intelligent. Doesn't always work, like I said. I did not read the book and I doubt I will, since the description I found of the novel is:

The novel deals with class issues in rural America, intense poverty and the Satanic cult hysteria that swept the United States in the 1980s
Not really my kind of thing.

Maybe I'll understand your point more when you describe an example of how the screenplay sucked? Never been a teacher, but I've had teachers grade my papers - I can't recall one that would give me high grades for answering a question with, "it sucks folks". Briefly describe how you would improve the screenplay for viewers that might see this movie after reading the novel. Did the screenplay writer attempt to use elements from the novel? How closely did the plot and dialog of the movie follow the plot and dialog of the novel? If the audience had not read the novel, would the screenplay be strong enough for them to comprehend and enjoy the movie? Why or why not?

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Thank you for the comment . . . sorry, but your post is just way too deep and multi-layered for me to respond to all of the questions, wow. BTW, I never referenced "source" material at all, I said the writing (who cares what it was based on) for the movie sucked.

In reading your comment, I felt like I was reading a bad script and it instructed the director to, "insert ridiculous, parody of an essay question here. :(

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Screenplays based off novels tend to follow a condensed version of the novel. If the writer strays too far from the novel, they will lose the viewer that came to see the novel. Too close to the novel and it ends up losing the general population. (A good example of this is Ender's Game. Read the book and watch the film - you'll see what I mean. The writing sucked in the movie, but followed the book pretty well.) The novel this film is based from had a very narrow market, so the film was never slated for mass market. They could have pumped up the writing, but destroyed the original plot and dark realistic feel I can only imagine the novel was like.

This was a film you and I were really never meant to see. If we were meant to see it, we would have already read the book. I'm never going to read the book and I doubt you will either. We aren't qualified to say the writing sucks. You don't write for yourself, you write to your audience. Twilight was a brilliant film series for millions of women, who had read the books and just loved the films. I think we would both agree the writing sucks - but we would be wrong.

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Intelligent plots just aren't profitable, because only a small percentage of the market will understand what's going on.
There are countless movies that are hard to follow that people still love. Not sure that is the reason.

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This may be the best example I've seen that talented actors can't overcome a bad script. I had to have a drink to get through this movie (30 minutes too long, btw). I love Charlize but not even she could save this one, probably friends with the director/screenplay guy and trying to help him out. This one sucked folks. Yup, I said it, so have at it.



Isn't it the truth! Charlize Theron is a talented actress but this movie is not going to add to her legend. For one thing, like Gone Girl, it's One Big Lie, from the beginning.....told to the audience. I'm surprised more viewers don't resent how manipulated they must feel, watching this cheap trick.

More than that, the plot is incredible. What sane mother does what Hendricks' character did? Was that failed farm more important to her kids than she was? That alone is an unbelievable plot point.

And what about all the devil worship? Was that made up by Ben after the fact? Including that notebook with all the Satan stuff in it?

And talk about a hard luck character! If it weren't for bad luck, Ben would have no luck at all. First, his father walks out on his family. Then his mother won't leave the farm and get a job, like any reasonable woman would, in order to keep them all together and fed because "it was our family's farm". Then he gets accused of molesting a girl he is friends with because she is eleven years old, resents his rejection of their inappropriate relationship, is jealous of his girlfriend, and lies about him. . Then he falls under the spell of a drug addicted slut, gets her pregnant (maybe), agrees to run away with her but first has to steal money from his mother. Then he lets this psychopath into his house where she strangles his sister. And then he takes the blame and doesn't say a word for 28 years because he's protecting his daughter? Get real!

Stupid movie. I wish I had my hour and 44 minutes back.

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I agree mate

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Hm i tot the movie was pretty good overall. Not really predictable, entertaining. I enjoyed it.

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More than that, the plot is incredible. What sane mother does what Hendricks' character did?

She needed money to keep Ben out of jail. This is the US, and people nowadays are obsessed with "child molestation" everywhere anyway. Add to that the fact that she believed Ben actually did it, so she wasn't in a particularly healthy state of mind anyway. And to top it all, she considered herself responsible, evident both in what she said to her sister and to her decision to destroy evidence. In my mind she thought she was providing for all her children while punishing herself, and all while deeply depressed and chronically at that. The incredible part was that the agent of the FHA recommended the suicide path. But then again he might just be looking to collect.

If it weren't for bad luck, Ben would have no luck at all.

There is a saying in Greek, "ενός κακού μύρια έπονται", which roughly translates as "one calamity is followed by many". Ben's problems are correlated, not just coincidences. 1)He yearns for the validation of being admired and cherished - probably due in part to the lack of a paternal figure - so he encourages the younger girl. 2)She in turn paints herself to be the victim, which is encouraged by a society that vilifies sexualisation of adolescents. 3)Ending up with a rich girl who wants to spite her parents for being indifferent and inattentive seems perfectly reasonable. After all she's the only one who will have him and if getting knocked up by a dark, mysterious, white-trash satanist doesn't attract her parents attention, nothing will. 4)Running away when facing charges of child molestation - when indeed he is guilty in his mind - is a sound strategy in the mind of a teenager who doesn't even know what birth control is. But even he knows he needs money. 5)He didn't let her in. She managed that well enough on her own. And once there, she did the exact thing one would expect of someone out of control; she made a bad situation worse. 6)Seeing as how he chose to ride the satanist-murderer-superstar hype, and take the rap for the serial killer too, did you expect him to inform on his girlfriend? The movie may have been a bit poor and the resolution weak, but it was consistent nonetheless.

Charlize is a powerful, hyper-sexual and extremely charismatic performer. For this kind of movie she was an excellent choice, far more suited than the grossly overrated Strip or the meek Blanchett. (and I absolutely adore Blanchett) In any case, I've seen half a dozen movies (starring Theron) which were much, much worse. Everybody has to make a living.

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