Ben


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To me, Ben is the most sympathetic character.
Sure, he had bad judgment in choosing his friends,
but he didn't kill anyone the night of the murders and several times stopped the girl he was with from choking his sister.
Then he goes to jail for 28 years because his sister lied and out of a sense of loyalty to his girlfriend and daughter (questionable or not he did it out of loyalty).

Ben is not responsible for the events that set in motion the paid hitman to kill his mother and sister.
And given the chaos of that night, he's mostly not responsible for his friend killing his sister; except for the fact that
he let the girl in his house to begin with.

So, in one of the final scenes when Ben says he's sorry to Libby, I'm thinking man, she should be apologizing to her brother for telling the lie that sent him to prison for 28 years while she wallowed in self pity on the outside all this time. And she has the audacity to say well we each told a lie so that makes us even. Yeah, except your lie, Libby, sent your innocent brother to prison for almost three decades!




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You're kidding, right? Ben is a piece of garbage who doesn't deserve an ounce of pity from anyone! I kind of understand the lies Libby told when she was a little girl because she was a traumatized child who was being coached by adults on what to say in court. At that young age Libby probably didn't even know what was going on during the trial. At 15, Ben should have known better than to tell the stupid lies he told. The fact that he still had love and loyalty for his crack whore girlfriend after she killed his sister means he's a disgraceful douchebag! He's also an idiot for thinking he's doing what's best for his estranged daughter by taking the rap so Diondra and Crystal can stay together. If he was really for the best interest for his progeny, he would have turned Diondra in so the authorities would have taken custody of his kid away from her. If Cyrstal was raised in a foster home she probably would have grown to be a sane and stable person, and not the homicidal lunatic she is from being under Diondra's tutelage. It's bad enough that Ben thought he was doing the right thing when he was a teenager, but it's despicable that even as a grown adult he's still protecting Diondra! I'll give Ben just a little credit for pulling Diondra off of Michelle in the choking scene, but in the book he wasn't that chivalrous. In the novel, he just sat in the corner balled up while Diondra strangled his sibling. What a spineless tool! By the end of the book/movie I was disgusted by Ben!

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You are right the movie showed us at the end Ben in a good way but he was one of the worst brother ever as we saw in the flashback that his girlfriend just killed his sister and he didn't do anything to her just becasue she was pregnant and may be not even from him so yeah he was garbage .

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They really did soften Ben for the movie. The guy let Diondra kill his sister and he did nothing to stop it. I too was disgusted at the end of the book that Ben got out. I would let him rot in prison for what he did. Even in the movie, Ben leaves Michelle in the room alone with his lunatic girlfriend after seeing what she had just attempted. Come on now. Hell he might even look even worse in the movie version.

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(SPOILER ALERT) I agree with everything said about Ben but he did have some good points too, he loved his mom and sisters. He did stop his gf from killing his sister, he pulled her off her. Then he wasn't in the room when she killed her, he came back and it was done, she was dead and he said what have you done, it was too late. He shouldn't have left them alone together but crazy things were happening all around them (the murders).

When you get up in the morning, how do you decide what shade of black to wear? (Shallow Grave)

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Thanks for your reply. I'm only commenting on my views based on the film, as I didn't read the book. Perhaps if I read the book, I might feel differently about the characters. However, none of what you said changes the fact that Ben served 28 years in prison for a crime or crimes that he's innocent of. I'm willing to cut Ben and Libby slack for how they handled the initial circumstances around the murders as they were both young. Libby is the one who could have made the biggest impact years later by admitting that she freaking lied. I'm not sure how much weight would have been given to Ben recanting his story especially when they still have his own sister pointing to him as the murderer. He intimates as much when she asks him why he never asked for an appeal. Ben didn't know how his girlfriend's life turned out nor did he know anything about his daughter. If you want to question his judgment for protecting them okay, but at least he did it out of love and loyalty. In contrast to his sister who perpetuates her lie and let's her innocent brother rot in jail for nearly three decades.

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Libby didn't necessarily lie when she accused Ben of the murders. The prosecutors for the trial manipulated and brainwashed her to the point where she actually did believe Ben killed her family. If you have a callow and impressionable child who's not sure about this horrific act that happened to her family, of course she's going to believe all of the adults that are telling her that her brother was the killer. Your anger should be aimed at the unscrupulous lawyers who trained a child to say what they wanted just so they could win a case. The definition of lying is when you say something that you know isn't true. Since Libby truly did believe Ben was the culprit, technically she didn't lie. She didn't realize that Ben might have been innocent until several years later when she started to investigate the case herself. And as far as Ben doing what he did for love and loyalty. Yeah, he had love and loyalty for the person who MURDERED HIS SISTER! You said Ben couldn't recant his story because Libby was still pointing the finger at him. You missed the fact that Ben doesn't want to recant his story because he would rather protect that skank Diondra. That's why he wouldn't give Libby any details about what really happened when she would go visit him. He doesn't care that his little sister is dead and he wants to continue to pursue a relationship with her killer. What a scumbag! Libby may not be the most likable character, but I have a lot more respect for her than I do for Ben.

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They don't ask a witness whether the accused did the crime. They ask her what she saw. They say in the movie that Libby testified that she saw Ben do it. It would take some pretty intense manipulation for Libby to believe she saw something when she wasn't even there.

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I just watched this movie, and there is a scene where the police say, "It was Ben, wasn't it, Libby? He killed your mom and sisters?"

I'm a lawyer, and that is a classic leading question as it implies the answer. Libby was only 7-yrs old so I can see how she could have been brainwashed into truly believing she saw her brother murder the entire family.

As far as Ben is concerned, he was only 15, I guess. He was young and stupid. That's why I have some sympathy for him too. Honestly, if the mom hadn't hired that guy to kill her, then Ben would have been able to stop Diondra from choking his sister to death, and they would have just skipped town. This all started b/c of the mom's colossally dumb plan!

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I agree 100%!

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Even if the truth had come out right away Ben would have been facing time. He helped plan a robbery and a murder was committed during the commission of the crime. It doesn't matter that he didn't do that crime. He also covered up the crime after the fact. In some cases this would get him at least 10 years, I don't know about the mid 80's he might have been looking at time in prison up to life for the fact that he helped plan the crime that got his murdering girlfriend on the scene.

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I've read the book (it's even better than GG in my opinion) and in the book Diondra is just THE WORST. She and Trey manipulate and abuse Ben throughout and Ben is almost powerless against them. When she kills Michelle -who was portrayed as a mean spirited gossip- he is too frightened of her to keep trying to stop her.

Also, I don't think it's fair to say that Libby 'lied' per se. She reads back through the course transcrips and finds out just how badly (and unethically) the prosecution hammered and harassed her from day one to implicate Ben. You don't do that to a 7 year old child.

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I'm still trying to figure out WHY the young Diondre did Ben's sister in? Is this a link up to the Devil worship? It's pretty weak why she went back to choking that girl. I don't get it, except to remind the audience, as if they needed to be reminded, she was no good.

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I think the reason Diondra killed Michelle was that Michelle overheard them talking about the baby and Diondra didn't want anyone to find out she was pregnant.

See you space cowboy...

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So Ben was still in jail at the end or was he being released?

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The last shot of Ben was of him on his way out of the prison. You can tell from the way the other inmates are congratulating him, like they do in all prison movies (and I assume actual prisons).

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OK. Good

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He never filed for an appeal because he felt that even though he didn't kill his family he's the reason his sisters are dead.


IIRC Diondra manipulated him into taking the blame for the murders in the first place. She was a psychotic, drug abusing, entitled brat who never took responsibilities for her actions.

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