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The Smarter You Are The More You Enjoyed This Film

posted 10 years ago by shacklefort
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In keeping with Marvel's best efforts, Joss Whedon again sets this movie apart from every other standard adventure movie, by the way he communicates the overall experience. We live the story and we feel the intensity and gravity of every situation. He uses so many characters well and we fully embrace each one as we go along with them on this amazing ride. Yes, characters like Hawkeye, Cap and Wanda/Pietro are all stand outs but each character is vital and pivotal to the overall story itself. It’s wonderful that we got to know “the big guns” in their own solo movies before this adventure but even the non-big guns are fleshed out to a remarkable degree. That adds so much to the depth of this movie. It isn't just about comic book pulp or things that go "boom" but about a powerful, exciting and meaningful story. The elements are fantastical but perfectly balanced by the characters and the way Whedon grounds everything.

Visual and emotional imagery are presented throughout the movie and provides the viewer with greater insight into the heroes AND even the villain. Yes, a robot AI can illicit emotion from the viewer and register in a meaningful way. Everything here screams quality and screams smart fun all the way through. Despite the depth, darkness and serious consequences there is still a great deal of fun. That's something I'm so grateful that Marvel usually delivers. For those going into this flick expecting a lot of fun, prepare to enjoy. Yet, fun is not the only piece of this pie. In fact, I think most INTELLIGENT movie fans will be stunned at how many levels this movie delivers upon.

This is a smart and surprisingly complex film that really delivers on everything promised in all those teaser set-ups and from the promise of the first film. Yes, a few scenes feel cut but I'm betting what hit the editing room floor will do nothing but enhance and already heady experience when we see the extended cut.

[–] IAmFire_IAmDeath 10 years ago

While I do agree that this movie can be more than meets the eye, the one thing that really took me out of it was the terrible editing. Some scenes were clearly cut short while others just stood out as clunky and weird.

[–] shacklefort 10 years ago

I found nothing to be clunky or weird but it's clear that a few scenes have been omitted.

I enjoy connecting a few dots as a viewer. To me, that makes for a better film experience. Yet, cutting Thor's dream sequence and some of Vision's origin was a clear loss for the story and the film. There's nothing to connect there, it's just abbreviated for pacing sake. That does hurt the depth of those two scenes no doubt about it. The rest of the film, however, plays out smooth and smart as can be.

[–] IAmFire_IAmDeath 10 years ago

A lot of the scenes consisted of the heroes being in one place then immediately in another. I don't mind stuff like this but it happened so much that I couldn't help but think they had to have been teleporting or something.

[–] cadenbt 9 years ago

For example?

[–] TRinzler 10 years ago

I found nothing to be clunky or weird but it's clear that a few scenes have been omitted.

How many times have you seen it? Repeat viewings tend to highlight poor editing because you already know the overall plot and have enjoyed the action scenes so tend to focus more on the details of how everything is connected.

Whedon edited out approx 1hr of footage that will be included with the DVD/Blueray. That's a 30% cut from a 3hr 20min film down to a 2hr 20min film so I think some disconnects are inevitable.

[–] IronBallsM 9 years ago

Everything in this film was smart and well written. I mean everything.

[–] Dash1969 9 years ago

Writer/director Joss Whedon served Disney execs without sacrificing even an ounce of what makes these comics smart, wonderful and special. He stayed true to the books and that's what makes this film so smart.

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[–] SpookyZeShadow 9 years ago

He's been exposed and humiliated multiple times already, but he's past the point of caring. So he'll just keep bumping these weak shill threads for years to come. 👻

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[–] Dash1969 9 years ago

Fine change the subject. How about this one... Who is your favorite Marvel or DC Comics superhero who played football?

[–] SpookyZeShadow 9 years ago

Back on your Dash1969 account, huh? Nice, nice. I wonder what your sock account rotation is?

Dash1969 and ThomasMagnumPI will both go silent for about a week, then SpanishRicky and Avengers1234 will suddenly reappear to bump some positive threads (half of which were created by you) back to the front pages of the Ant-Man and Age of Ultron boards.

By the way, I see that you've been neglecting elle-nino and Uberiffic. You might wanna bring those two back into the fold. Just saying. lol. 👻

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[–] R_Kane (15828) 4 years ago

“Smart comic” is an oxymoron. It’s like “engrossing message board conversation.”

[–] billybizar 10 years ago

Oops. I Feel Really Really Dumb Now.

[–] imightbesomeone 10 years ago

That wasnt sarcasm?

[–] shacklefort 10 years ago

It's the honest to God truth.

[–] rmontro 10 years ago

Well, I enjoyed the film, so I have to agree with you.

[–] lkroger 10 years ago

Well, Tony Stark's "prima noctae" remark was certainly a bone to the pseudointellectual crowd.

(As an aspiring pseudointellectual, I admit it went over my head. Fortunately there's Wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_du_seigneur)

[–] shacklefort 10 years ago

I actually knew what that was but was stunned Joss wrote it in to Stark's lines. That's way more controversial than Black Widow not being able to have kids.

[–] BrooklynBrimstone 10 years ago

I got that joke! I learned it from 'Braveheart'!
Yay! Thanks excessive movie-watching education!!🙌
It was kinda gross though, knowing the true meaning...Tony had a couple other 'crossing-the-line' comments in the movie that definitely took me out of the movie to think, "Did he just say what I think he said?"
Like the "I hope you guys aren't playing hide the zucchini?" comment made to Black Widow about Hulk. I was like, "Seriously? That's just gross! I don't need that mental image in my head, thanks!" 😕😛

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[–] lkroger 10 years ago

I took such lines to be wit rather than simple vulgarity. It takes a deft hand to do this properly, but for my money, they accomplished it here.

In contrast, there was a bit of vulgarity that clunked horribly at the end of "Kingsman"; a film that I otherwise quite enjoyed.

Anyway, Tony Stark is following in the fine tradition of The Bard himself. Here's an article with a few examples of Shakespeare's problematic references:

http://mentalfloss.com/article/54442/10-shakespeares-best-dirty-jokes

[–] Socialman 10 years ago

In contrast, there was a bit of vulgarity that clunked horribly at the end of "Kingsman"; a film that I otherwise quite enjoyed.

I'm guessing the butt thing ? I felt exactly the same way, I've not seen a joke that awkward and out of place in a long time. It must have looked brilliant on paper.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kkcvHaiG_M

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[–] DeusExKatrina 10 years ago

That's an incredibly stupid assertion to make.

Nobody in their right mind equates intellect with taste in film. Taste is subjective, as is art. There is no circumventing that.

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[–] cjp2157 10 years ago

Of course. However, a certain level of intelligence and ability to comprehend layered themes allows the viewer to appreciate this film and what it tries to achieve.

It's much more complex (as with many MCU films) than its counterparts at Fox and DC.

[–] Socialman 10 years ago

Nobody in their right mind equates intellect with taste in film.

And neither does the OP. What he said is what I have long argued about the first one, that it takes a certain level of intelligence to appreciate all the layers. And that's wether you liked it or not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kkcvHaiG_M

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[–] DeusExKatrina 10 years ago

Actually, I did like it.

But the idea that either Avengers movie is so complex that it takes any intellect to appreciate its layers is so utterly ridiculous it boggles the mind.

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[–] fctiger 10 years ago

Yeah have to go with this. They are big kids popcorn action films. Did anyone really think what they were seeing with either were remotely complex? I'm not saying they are dumb, just not exactly anything you need a philosophy degree to get either.

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[–] StarkTech 9 years ago

Who you would like to see cast as the main villain of the Doctor Strange film? Are you happy with the current cast choices? Do you think Mads Mikkelsen will make a good addition to the cast?

[–] theCurlyone 10 years ago

There's a difference between appreciating that there ARE layers and appreciating the layers that are.

An idiot can catch an allegory and appreciate it without realising what he's witnessed. A genius can recognise an allegory and be appalled at how it's handled.

"somebody used to live here"

[–] Socialman 10 years ago

An idiot can catch an allegory and appreciate it without realising what he's witnessed. A genius can recognise an allegory and be appalled at how it's handled.

And that works both ways, which was my point.

I've spent a lot of time these past three years dicussing said layers, and it tought me that a lot of people either didn't catch a lot of stuff, or they cought something and failed to understand what it was. Again, wether they liked it or not, since taste has nothing to do with this.

If you're not in that group, hey, power to you. But that does not negate the fact that said group IS out there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kkcvHaiG_M

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[–] SwissCheeze 10 years ago

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Yes, The Avengers is a complex film that requires superior intelligence to fully understand it. Yeah. Ummmm hmmmm. Sure.

[–] Socialman 10 years ago

Apparently.

Just a stab in the dark here, but I'm guessing you're one of the ones that didn't ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kkcvHaiG_M

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[–] Filler_Killer 9 years ago

Yeah, this movie is so smart and complex, it makes the Metaphysics of Morals look like a Dan Brown novel. It is so good that, although Sartre trashed Citizen Kane, I'm sure he would praise to heaven this brilliant masterpiece of filmmaking. Only true geniuses could grasp the deep analysis of mankind's nature present on this timeless groundbreaking work. 

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[–] MrsBuckyBarnes 9 years ago

Nobody in their right mind equates intellect with taste in film.

And neither does the OP.

except the OP does. the title of the thread states, "the smarter you are, the more you enjoyed this film." it follows that if you did not enjoy this film you are not very intelligent. where is the empirical evidence for this assertion? did the OP obtain a representative sample of the people who watched this film and conduct IQ tests? any argument that the OP puts forward in his/her comments is completely undermined by this bombastic hypothesis. how old is the OP? 12?

you didn't enjoy this film, ergo you must be stupid. smh.

[–] IronBallsM 9 years ago

How is taste in anything not reflective of intelligence? Think about it for a minute.

[–] mightymac101 9 years ago

Comments like "Great but not perfect like the first" has me still wondering if expectations were too high?

[–] blackdoug 9 years ago

Having binge watched Daredevil now... I can say that it IS remarkable. As a comic book series it's remarkable. Within that framework its incredibly well done. It makes something like Arrow look like the scribbles of a child.

I love that its gritty and violent, that the fights are intense, well choreographed and acrobatic. I love that Kingpin isn't just a paper thin villain but theyve given him conflict and an edge. I love how he loves a good punching too!

I love that its got enough comic book leanings that I can geek out about ninjas and hints at bigger stories, but its also good enough as a crime show that I can watch it on that level too.

Is it better than Breaking Bad or the Wire? Probably. This is geek television for adults and its great.

[–] DeviantHitman 10 years ago

The Goonies was a far superior Adventure film.. shooooosh!

This is a smart and surprisingly complex film that really delivers on everything promised in all those teaser set-ups

Considering most of the content from the teasers and trailers wasn't in the actual film... well that just makes that statement null and void.

[–] Ramboman24 10 years ago

So what does that say if somebody who is mentally challenged enjoys it?

How can I trust "professional" critics when both TDKR and Avengers are critically acclaimed? 

[–] blackdoug 10 years ago

Spit yeah!

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