Insulting to homosexuals*


So I posted this elsewhere but I wanted to share it here. Just my opinion on the ****y ending (and no, it's not the "asexuals don't real" part)

Someone told me the ending left them thinking and I responded so:

The ending was what I most hated. Von Trier (Tryer? as in "Tryhard"?) giving a huge disrespect to gay relationships.. She meets B and they seem so in love and tender and pure and everything, and then "oh but lesbian/gay relationships, such jokes.. Obviously B secretly wants the D (by that I mean, male sexual organ), it trumps everything! And she's having sex with the ex! empty, ugly female competition FTW!" And then at the end, she and the guy doing what they did beside her beaten body, like "look I'm $%&#ing a younger girl, who was your "supposed" girlfriend lol". And having her piss on her, after all they shared. It was just disgusting. I wonder what you think of my opinion on this? Also, what was the "message" it left you? What did it make you think? That humanity is *beep* and deep down everyone is a selfish ass, and sex trumps everything? Edgy. What other message did it try to leave? "highly sexual women are "deviants" in society but highly sexual men are OK"? is that it? the only positive message I think it tries to leave, but really, such wow, as if I didn't know that already.

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B (Sophie Kennedy Clark) was her childhood friend she was riding the trains with in Chapters 1 and 2 (and yes, she definitely wants "the d", given how many guys she screwed in the first chapter). P (Mia Goth) is the girl in question here.

I don't think von Trier is trying to cheapen or play off homosexual relationships for a laugh. There's a depth to the relationship between Joe and P because it's basically the first time either woman has really allowed themselves to let someone see their human side in forever. It's like the stories one reads about nowadays of straight people who engage in serious same-sex relationships with one special man or woman because of a connection. I don't know what either's exact sexual identity was; Joe was definitely straight, but willing to allow herself to fall for P because of how P treated her. P, I think was at least bisexual because of how she initiated the first sexual experience with Joe.

And then there's the affair with Jerôme. We've already seen in the past Jerôme has the power to get any woman to fall for him (Joe's whole life experience with him and then his relationship with Liz that's expanded in the Director's Cut). We don't know how the affair between P and Jerôme started, but we know it's there and a huge puzzle piece of what sends Joe over the edge and results in her getting beat up in the alley. P clearly resents Joe after they start debt collecting together because Joe doesn't trust P's judgment and use of guns and finds a "kindred spirit" in Jerôme, who'll take care of her without question because they have a shared disdain for Joe (P for her treatment earlier, Jerôme for EVERYTHING they've done to each other)

Jerôme having sex with P after assaulting Joe was meant to be his final "f * * k you" to Joe after a lifetime of the numerous "games" they played with each other, given how he has sex with her the exact same way he took Joe's virginity as a young woman (also, he doesn't look at P when they do except to make sure he's penetrating her correctly, only at Joe to cement his "victory" against her). P's pissing on her was just the "icing" on the hate cake to her; notice how even Jerôme is surprised by how "cold" she is. What is it that causes P to react so viciously to her former lover? I theorize at some point in the relationship, it became apparent to Jerôme who P was living with and he filled her head with an exaggerated version of their former relationship, only putting special emphasis on how Joe's nymphomania destroyed what they "had," though Jerôme was certainly no walk in the park given how he put their son in foster care to live his own life.

I honestly feel the message of "Nymph()maniac" is clearly stated in the last scenes: we as a society are willing to be more lenient towards sexually aggressive men because it's the norm whereas sexually aggressive women are a "sin" that need to be stamped out instead of just acknowledging their existence and allowing room for sexual equality.

But that's just my two cents.

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Interesting analysis, thank you. Haven't watched director's extended cut yet.

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Thanks. You really should; just be prepared to set a full day aside because it's a pretty long experience.

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Can't wait. ;)

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P just wanted someone to love her, as she believed no guy would love her because she was ugly, and it was Joe who there for her, so... why not. But P just wanted dick after all.

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