Long Island
When tony shows the land that is going to be long island, it is 1952. What part of long island is this? hasn't long island been houses and roads for centuries?
shareWhen tony shows the land that is going to be long island, it is 1952. What part of long island is this? hasn't long island been houses and roads for centuries?
shareMy aunt and uncle bought property in Montauk in 1964 and there was nothing there except Gurney's and a grocery store...pretty much all land. The finished the house in 1966 and the community did not really get populated till the 70's. So not hard to believe that it was like that in 1952.
My parents were going to buy in Farmingdale in 1967 and it was too isolated for my mom, so they didn't....also, not much out there....the Long Island Expressway was not finished till 1972.
Oh okay, that's pretty cool, I grew up in elmont which is right next to the queens border so i'm assuming that nassau was developed before suffolk county like farmingdale, brentwood correct?
shareCome on man, visit your Long Island Historical Society. During the 1950s, Suffolk County was mostly farmland.
shareYes, Suffolk County on Long Island had more than its share of potato farms at the time. And, driving from Nassau County to Farmingdale to buy bushels of apples in the fall was a rite of passage.
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As Emory Cohen said, Tony had a real semblance of a life, and plans that were actually doable. The plan to get into construction, and do it on Long Island - sort of build and sell, and I'm sure renovations also, is perfect timing. The land he and his brothers purchased also looked as if it were near water. Tony told Eilis that there were already plans for electricity, so he wasn't being a pioneer. It was a section of LI marked for development.
People forget that Levittown, New York, was the first planned suburb and built by one company on Long Island. It certainly knew that post-WWar-II, people would flee the congestion of NYC for the Island where land was available and relatively cheap, yet provided easy access to the "City", as we LIers always referred to it.
The Long Island Railroad and good east-west roads courtesy of planner Robert Moses and taxpayers provided that access.
It's not a stretch to think that Tony and his brothers went to work for Levitt & Sons, but most likely did the entrepreneurially smart thing of building homes themselves.
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Yep, as soon as Tony stood on that tract of land and told Eilis his plans, the story was transformed. Yes, his parents lived in a tenement, maybe one-bedroom with four sons, but the sons were smart do-ers who had plans and were laying the groundwork.
Thanks for sharing a bit of Long Island's history. There's a book called "Charming Billy" about the Island from maybe the 40s through the 70s - well, a lot of life in the city, and a bit of the Island. I love reading about what it was.
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That could have anywhere on long island...there are still parts of lung island mostly east that still baren.
shareI produced a documentary a few years ago about a guy who grew up in flushing and moved to Long island. I ended up looking through tons of old footage from the 40's and 50's. From watching It, it was apparent that even parts of eastern queens were basically still farm country. Dirt roads and everything.
The 59th street bridge is only about 100 years old and I think it played a large factor in keeping queens and Long Island remote for longer than other areas around New York.
My parents bought a house in Plainview, on Long Island in 1953. The house was brand new - as was everything around us. The entire area had been potato farms up until then, and the whole subdivision, well over a thousand hoses, was all built in the space of months. I grew up there, and most everything that was outside of the little towns on Long Island was built new, since there was little in the way of stores, cleaners, pharmacies, etc that existed prior to the rapid development.
The old Polish potato farmer whose farm our house (and everyone else's house, too) was built on gave a plot of land to the Catholic Church to build a church, and donated his barn to use for masses until the church could be built. Times were different back then - imagine someone doing that now.
This mass housing development repeated itself all over Nassau County, and Nassau was pretty much 100% developed by the late 50's. Western Suffolk County, further out on Long Island, then exploded in the 1960's.
PS - My mother came to this country from Ireland at the age of 18 in 1950, so there was much in this movie I could relate to. But much I couldn't - it was a bit too cutesy, stylized and stereotypical for my tastes.
PS - My mother came to this country from Ireland at the age of 18 in 1950, so there was much in this movie I could relate to. But much I couldn't - it was a bit too cutesy, stylized and stereotypical for my tastes.
The movie makes it seem as if only the women left Ireland, but that was definitely not the case. This is basically the express version of the larger story, without reviewing hundreds of years of Irish history:
Post war Ireland in the late '40's was still an an agrarian economy that was looking at the need to re-absorb as many as a quarter of a million citizens who had been either members of the British armed forces or war workers during hostilities. Ireland had never been industrialized during its days as part of the UK (the last stage of the split had happened in 1937), had been officially neutral during the war; its economy was in no condition to accept back as much as 8% of its 3 million pre-war population.
As a result, many Irish men stayed in England, and some who had stayed at home during the war migrated to the UK after the war to work in reconstruction efforts. My uncle, one of my mother's brothers, spent several years in London after the war when he was in his early twenties. He did so even though as the oldest male child, he was to inherit the family farm, because the money was good and my grandfather could still manage affairs back home. A number of Irish men also migrated to the US after the war, when movement became freer in general, and the American economy was booming.
In addition to these conditions, remember that it was still the late '40's and early '50's, when women were expected to marry. But there were few available men for Irish women to marry, and no jobs to be had. My mother was one of ten siblings who survived to adulthood (another brother died at age ten). My mom and her four sisters all emigrated to the US, with her oldest sister coming here in 1947 at age 23, my mother arriving here in 1950 with her next older sister (my mother turned 18 on the ship on the way over here - her sister was 19). My mother's next younger sister arrived in 1951, also turning 18 on the ship on the way, and her youngest sister migrated in 1960 - this time by plane - shortly after she turned 18. Three of the sisters married Irish-American men (my father included in that group), and two married Irish immigrants.
Of my mother's five brothers, the oldest inherited the farm (and still runs it to this day, at age 90), the next oldest spent 30 years in the Irish Army, another contracted polio in his teens and spent the rest of his life in a wheelchair. The other two brothers emigrated to the US also. I remember one of my uncles saying "We all loved Ireland, and it was home to us, but there were no jobs..." As the saying went back when I was a kid in the early '60's, the second largest Irish city population after Dublin was New York. Some people said it WAS New York, and Dublin was second - that's how many Irish were here.
The "Celtic Tiger" Irish economy that you read about is something that has evolved more recently, with Ireland's full membership in the EU. For many years before that, the Irish economy was fairly tepid, even at its best.
P.S. - To underscore what Ireland was back in the late '40's/early '50's:
My mother brought my younger brother and and me to Ireland in 1958 when we were small kids to meet and spend time with the family she'd left behind. My grandparents were living on the small farm in the west of Ireland where my mother and her siblings grew up. They lived in a cottage with a thatched roof, no central heat, and no indoor plumbing. They had recently gotten electricity, which allowed them to light a few light bulbs and listen to the radio (there was only one radio station). There was no refrigerator - milk was whole milk, fresh as could be - straight from the cow a few minutes earlier. Warm...cow body temperature, or maybe a little cooler...ugggh. No car, either - my grandfather had a horse.
That thatched cottage housed my grandparents, my grandmother's never-married brother, my mother's brother who was to inherit the farm, his wife, his wife's mother, my mother's brother with polio and my mother's youngest sister, who was only 16 at the time, in 1958. A lot of people in a small space. And none of all of this was unusual in the area my mother was from - most everyone lived that way.
I grew up on Long Island as a kid in the 70s and read about how up until the 50s, the number two potato producing area in the entire country was . . .
. . . you guessed it, Long Island. Potato farms as far as the eye could see. Until the post-war development came in. And in 1951 (or 2) when Tony was showing her that plot of land, that would have been exactly the right timing.
When I was a kid, I remember reading in the Long Island paper, Newsday, how the last farm in Queens was being sold off to be developed. So farming was still going on in Queens even into the late 70s.
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The Corleone family had a house on Long Island in the 1940s!
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