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Was it suppose to be so Cliche?


Casino Royale didn't feel so Cliche as most Bond films however as Daniel Craigs series progressed it felt so been there done that.

Step 1 - The initial rundown chase scene to kill the bad guy.
Step 2 - Bond on his own, His boss on his case, however Bond one step ahead
Step 3 - Bond receives gadgets from Q
Step 4 - Enter Huge unstoppable secondary Bad guy Bond will fight thought out movie but eventually kills.
Step 5 - Bond finds girl, girl hates Bond, girl eventually sleeps with Bond
Step 6 - Bond & Girl Escape from a impossible situation, Major Bad guy thought dead
Step 7 - Major Bad guy not dead, Bond gets beat within inch of his life
Final Step - Bond Saves Girl, Major Bad guy gets away, prison or dies off camera. Bond ends up with Girl

No surprises for me in Spectre.

Needs a reboot.

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Cliches. In a Bond film.

What no man Can give ya. And none Can take away.

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I expect some but not throughout the entire movie.

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That's one of the things I didn't like about Spectre. It felt like it was written with a checklist of Bond tropes they had to click off.

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That's one of the things I didn't like about Spectre. It felt like it was written with a checklist of Bond tropes they had to click off.


thank you, i was hoping I wasn't the only one that felt this way.


I went back and watched Skyfall again and was surprised at how much a better movie it was than Spectre.



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My bet is that they were trying to get back to the spirit of the original movies. But failed. Spectre was alright but it did not feel like a Bond movie. Skyfall, out of all the DC one's did feel more Bond than any others.

"Time is an illusion, lunch time doubly so" - Ford Prefect

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I like to ask you: what's wrong with a cliche every now and then? A Cliche by definition is a good concept overused to the point where people can see it coming and get bored as a result. It's not the cliche that matters. Its the story that's more important. One important thing about this whole sequence is Bond's emotions in all this. Like Vesper, he saw a possible chance at salvation with Madeliene. An option to quit and start over. At this point in time, he had been burnt, given up on a normal life, and lost his mentor. All he saw was darkness to the end of his days. In the end, he found a choice: kill Blofeld and take the Known Devil's path or take a risk with the Unknown Angel. With all his heartbreak, disappointment, failures, and losses, it's a big step for him to take the latter path in life. It's essentially a story of Bond facing his demons once and for all. I admit it didn't exactly have dialogues or acting worthy of
Shakespeare but I found it, in hindsight mind you, to be quite a solid story.

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