Whoever put that hated, redundant piece of management-speak into the script deserves a black spot all of their own....or at the very least to be keel-hauled.
That, and the inclusion of the bovine excretia profanity which, as someone else has just pointed out, has no business being uttered in Nassau c. BS-epoch, demonstrates a script editor who needs to tighten their reins....or be usurped by someone better able to keep it real.
Troll. Anybody would think that you were actually ignorant of the fact that fagging was a British term to mean labor or toil, particularly of a burdensome task. Shame on you for pretending it means anything else in this context.
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I think the OP is complaining about the expression "going forward" and not "fagging." It sounds too "modern-day corporate" or something. He just added "fagging" for effect.
People already mentioned "bullsh!t".
I don't mind the modern-day expressions anymore. Especially the way Jack said, "wait for it..."
Whatever, Roma, I'm so tired of the language cops. There are very few people who would understand much of what these people were saying if the language of yesteryear was scrupulously adhered to. I swear if these people had the intelligence to read Ivanhoe, they would complain about Scott saying he would offer the following translation and then proceeding to have everyone speak in modern English and not Ye Olde Saxon. I fully expect a language cop to hand me a ticket for using the expression Ye Olde Saxon.
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Like duwoppywop on the earlier *beep* thread you go to extremes and / or put words in people's mouths that they haven't said.
Don't know about anyone else but I personally didn't advocate using the language of the period in general.
Of course it is fine to use English as we understand it today but for me personally I found the inclusion of *beep* and "motherfarker " jarring and jumped out from the general dialogue but not in a good way.
Does that make me language cop
Does that make me language cop
I don't care one way or the other about "going forward" but every time one of these 17th-century characters ask superfluous bystanders to "give us the room" it sets my teeth on edge.
shareLOL. I dont think I've noticed that one but yes, when watching period dramas the language can grab your ear and make it bleed. I'm waiting for Silver to ask Flint if he's really 'gay'.
shareActually. the 'F' word was used as early as the 15th century. It's easy to find the origins of words and be sure before you assume they are not using 'new' word, because they are not.
I dont have a problem with the f and c bombs themselves in this. Only the way the actresses tend to over accentuate them. eg Hannah might say 'You EFFED with me' whereas Flint might say 'You effed with ME!'. Sounds more natural when the word isnt spat out, if you know what I mean. Toby is a swearer so it's probably just more natural for him. Peter Dinklage in GoT is another actor that makes it sound natural rather than the word standing out like dog's balls.
Yes, I know what you mean and I'm not one to use that language. Even though I was raised in Oklahoma, my mother was British and she was a professional at washing a dirty mouth with a bar of soap. I don't care for the language but it won't prevent me from watching a good show. I don't think it's nearly as overused as it was in Deadwood.
This may be of interest. verb (used with object), fagged, fagging.
1.
to tire or weary by labor; exhaust (often followed by out):
The long climb fagged us out.
2.
British. to require (a younger public-school pupil) to do menial chores.
3.
Nautical. to fray or unlay the end of (a rope).
Yeah I found it so overused in Deadwood I was completely distracted and stopped watching. I understand why they did it, to make the language really base, but it was just too much for me. Bad language doesnt offend me, it just became a total ear worm and I couldnt concentrate on anything else.
Funny you should mention your mum. I called my Dad a bastard once when I was a little kid. I didnt think anyone heard me because I walked from the front of the house around to the back with temper in check, sat down on the steps and said under my breath 'You big bastard'. Well, my mother put hot english mustard on my tongue. When she told my Dad what I called him he laughed. Gee thanks mum.
I don't mind the odd shyte or phuq but motherF.....? Seriously? That was very jarring. All we need now is for someone to slip up and say "ok", lol.
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I dont mind so much in this but I had real problems with the modern diction in Rome.
Huh? I certainly didnt expect them to be speaking latin in a British American production.
shareMy point is that the use of a Romance-Germanic hybrid language that didn't even exist back then is such a massive anachronism that it doesn't really matter if Roman legionaries speak modern colloquial English or unnecessarily formal and slightly old-fashioned English.
shareI know but my ear was grabbed. I tried to shake it off but couldnt. Same thing happens in Marco Polo where my ear gets grabbed by all the kiwi, aussie and British accents. With 90 million bucks they couldnt afford a voice coach to try to give them all a generic sounding accent? It's really distracting. So what I'm saying is, I understand the posters who for three years have been complaining about the modern diction in this show. When you get an ear worm it's very difficult to shake it off.
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In case you didn't notice it until now, they've been speaking modern English the entire time, with a few anachronistic words thrown in for more period feeling. This is standard practice in historical TV dramas. If the actors spoke truly period-appropriate language riddled with words like athwart, betwixt, avaunt, howbeit etc., most people would have trouble following the dialogue.
PS: I know that you have to get a little creative to post the f-word here, and I don't mind it being used for the sake of emphasis, but was it really necessary to give it a homophobic undertone?
This is standard practice in historical TV dramas. If the actors spoke truly period-appropriate language riddled with words like athwart, betwixt, avaunt, howbeit etc., most people would have trouble following the dialogue.
Exactly. 'Ripper Street' tries to use period-appropriate language and phrasing, presumably for authenticity, but I find it often makes the dialogue sound stilted and artificial. For example, it's a bit difficult to imagine a street fighter type like Drake using words like 'credence' or 'dissembling' in normal conversation, still less under pressure. You wouldn't expect a similar character in a present day police series to use language like that, so why would Drake?
Yes, that's another problem with period language. Writers who strive for authenticity often create a classless society where characters from all social backgrounds talk equally sophisticated, even though the public education was much worse back then.
share' , but was it really necessary to give it a homophobic undertone?'
HAha, so you'll ridicule the guy for not liking modern language, but feel free to get PC offended by his use of an ancient word that was appropriated. What a whiny hypocrite!
The real WEAKNESS of the writing? Soap Opera Melodrama.
EVERY character speaks in Dramatic, Repetitive Lectures as if what they are saying is The Most Important Thing:
"I am Not worried about X, I am NOT worried about Y, I am not even worried about Y - I AM Worried that TODAY could be the Beginning of the End for ALL OF NASSAU!"
EVERY Episode has 5-6 of these redundant speeches - very, very weak.
And M. Guthrie? Anyone who knows a thing about History knows that in 1715 the 'Proper English Gentleman' would absolutely NEVER allow her to even talk as an Equal to them, never mind DICTATING TERMS, swearing at them, issuing Orders? NO WAY!
English Gentlemen believed that: They are far, far Superior to everyone else, called 'Common People'. That they were so incredibly Superior to Criminals, Pirates and Whores that they would never even speak to them! AND YET Guthrie talks to that Admiral, et al, as if they were Subordinates? A JOKE!
MAX? HORRIBLE FAKE ACCENT! How can anyone stand it!?! She "Purses Her Lips" so self-consciously and unnaturally trying to sound French - why? Watch her annoying mouth - she talks as if making fun of a French Accent for fun. Totally weak.
The problem is that all of these things call attention to the fact that it's a TV Show - we do not need those reminders and this show needs all the help it can get.
Whilst some of the phrases do stick out as being especially anachronistic, most of the words, grammar, sentence structures, speech patterns, pronounciations etc used in the script would sound incorrect in the context of 18 Century Nassau, so it is not that big a deal.
"Never Eat More Than You Can Lift" - Miss Piggy.
Okay, now I'm starting to hear this expression a lot.
Every presidential candidate... "Going forward, we will blah blah blah..."
Those annoying News panelists..."what the campaign will do now GOING FORWARD"...