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Why does Eleanor not trust Vane?


Just finished all the seasons and I can't really recall why she doesn't trust him of all people? I wish we knew more of their backstory and why they broke up in the first time.

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Eleanor subscribed to Flint's aspiration for Nassau to become a crown sanctioned, self governing, legitimate community with legal trade and land farming occupations.

Vane supported the opposite: free booting status quo of piracy and fencing pirated goods.








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Plus, Vane told her like it was. She was more like her father than I would like to believe & he kept reminding her otherwise.

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Eleanor does not trust Vane because Eleanor does not trust anyone. And she killed him because he loved her unconditionally and Eleanor cannot love and so Vane's feelings were a constant reminder to her of what she lacks.

http://thinkingoutloud-descartes.blogspot.com/

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he loved her unconditionally


LMAO. Oh you.

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Gotta love the Harlequin Romance of Vane and Eleanor.

But Eleanor would be right not to trust anyone. Vane and Eleanor may have liked each other, sexually anyway, but they could easily manipulate one another to get what they want. Good, old-fashioned drama there. Too bad Vane is gone. I would've looked forward to more of that sappy, sexy stuff.

Not quite buying the idea of "unconditional" though... :)

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Vane's love seemed pretty unconditional to me. She beached him and he still protected her, much to her annoyance. Even when she went out of her way to show how much she despised him, he killed Ned Lowe for her. Just out of curiosity, if you're not buying the idea of unconditional love by Vane for Eleanor, can you mention any conditions that he put on his love?

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He told her not to take Abigail, that it could mean death for him. She does anyway. That crossed the line for him. Killed her daddy. Bam. I think that could be considered a condition.

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I came here to ask this... The actress playing Eleanor does weird facial expressions, so I'm not always sure what she's trying to convey. But Vane seemed to really love her (why I don't know, she never treats him very well except a quick shag here and there). So I would say he did unconditionally love her until the final betrayal of her taking Abigail... Although weirdly I think he would have eventually even forgiven her of that based on his past forgiveness of her actions.
Did I miss something though... Has their back story ever been explained?

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Yeah, that's why he punched her in the head and told her if she ever spoke to him like that again infront of his crew he;d forget he 'loved her once'

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True... Although it seems he would have killed anyone else who punched him in front of his men, or beat them more than a somewhat pulled punch. I just wish she had gotten the noose instead... Vane's a great character and will be missed!

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I miss Vane as well. Zach was great fun to watch.

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Anyone else who punched Vane in front of his men would have been beaten to a bloody pulp. He tapped Eleanor back to show her he wouldn't take such treatment, and I loved it. I can't stand it when women are shown hitting men, and the men have to take it or be considered brutes. No one should hit, and that goes for women hitting men. Eleanor should have kept her hands to herself, and if she wants to go around hitting people, I say they should be allowed to hit her back.

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'Tapped' Hilarious as usual, zanza. How I've missed your BS.

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Then we disagree on why Vane killed Eleanor's father. I think the letter he left with the body made his reasoning clear. It might be that because of what Eleanor did, he got an extra charge out of the murder, but I believe he really did feel he was killing an enemy of Nassau's freedom. Vane had his Spartacus moments and I think this was one of him. I want to be clear that I don't like what he did, I don't agree with it, but I don't think his motivation was to hurt Eleanor, or at least that wasn't his main motivation. Also, it has nothing to do with unconditional love. When people put conditions on love, it's along the lines of "I set this condition and you have to meet it for me to love you." No one can pretend that Vane was setting a condition for Eleanor to love him by killing her father.

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I was kind of thinking that Vane killed her father after he offered Eleanor to Vane for his own life. That would have angered him for a couple of reasons:1. He loved Eleanor and 2. What kind of father does that? He made a point to tell her this as well.
I also am really stuck on the notion that Eleanor takes Abigail for Flint to help him but also to save Vane's life. She tells Flint before the deal is done to be sure that He lives. Anyway that is my take on at leaSt those events. I still don't think Eleanor's season 3 character was very true to her previous seasons.

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I was kind of thinking that Vane killed her father after he offered Eleanor to Vane for his own life. That would have angered him for a couple of reasons:1. He loved Eleanor and 2. What kind of father does that? He made a point to tell her this as well.
That's true. I hadn't thought of that, Vane might have even thought he was protecting Eleanor by killing a man like Ned Lowe who was threatening her. Certainly he left Lowe's head for all to see with the note about angering Charles Vane, and everybody knew exactly what Lowe had done to anger him. I still think the main reason was that Vane truly believed Eleanor's father was a threat to Nassau's freedom, but if he was wavering at all about actually killing the man, the threat to Eleanor would have tipped the scale. After all, if her father would hand her over to one pirate, he might hand her over to anyone at all to buy his own life.

http://thinkingoutloud-descartes.blogspot.com/

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But do we really know that her father was ready to sell her out? There was a reason we didn't see it happen, so like Eleanor we are left to question if what he said is true or not. I think he was just messing with her, knowing that's his last chance. And after what he did to Max I doubt she would trust him ever again.

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