So...his only crime was dealing weed right?
...i'm confused.
shareI'm confused why sharing the greatest gift of all is a crime. Lol.
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His only crime is being born black.
I know you won't break the rules because there aren't any.
It's not against the law so it isn't a crime, but spending your life aspiring to be a cliche isn't the best idea. Could get you killed at the BART station if you're luck runs out.
We don't choose our skin color, but we do choose our culture.
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may be I'm too serious on this, but I think the point is that even if he owns a drug country, or whatever he was doing in private time.
That really has nothng to do with the incident, they were not arresting him for that and in fact they were arresting him over pretty much nothing and sent him a bullet at the end.
The cops fired a bullet when hes not a suspect of any kind, that' pretty much said it all.
No. The film I saw showed Oscar being killed because of the crime he was committing in that moment. He chose to resist arrest. He chose to raise his voice to police in an angry tone. He chose to continue to antagonize those whom have authority over him (police), even after they handcuffed him - to the point that the police felt the need to grab a weapon to subdue him. It's a step by step, escalation of response. That an accident happened...
The fact that Oscar had been imprisoned tells the audience that this guy knows the drill in terms of what submission looks like. Hit the dirt, stay still and shut up. He knew it well and chose to escalate the situation anyway. Oscar had a chance to show cooperation and submission to authority. If you take a death-defying risk, then you should not be shocked if you die.
OP - yes, you are confused. In the film, Oscar is depicted as being violent, deceitful, traitorous, angry, self-centered, immature and irresponsible. While the filmmakers want the audience to be fooled into thinking that Oscar would have become a decent human, had he lived longer, there is no reason to believe that. Criminals do not respect the rights of others. That pretty much defined Oscar, as portrayed in Fruitvale Station. I'd say he died of it because his last act was to refuse to respect the right of the police to detain a citizen.
They didn't do anything to get arrested, nobody pressed charges. They were slammed to the ground. They should have been calmed, questioned and sent on their way. By the way, you must have clearly missed the part where Oscar asked to speak to one of the officers in a gentle way and was punched
shareOkay, just in general... the police have the right to make an arrest, EVEN IF IT'S A MISTAKE. Humans - they get to be imperfect because there is no other option.
From what I saw, on a holiday known for a high number of substance-related violent crimes and deaths; while the police are on over-time and on high-alert, an altercation occurred on a subway train. The police grabbed whomever they assessed as being involved, commanded them to sit down and while they continued their overall platform assessment, Oscar stood up. (Contrast this with the others beside him who sat with hands in clear view - and survived.)
The mere presence of police is what triggers a, "calm the heck down right now" response in law-abiding citizens. There is no exterior provision for coddling the angry and immature suspects. If parents, religion, or whatever, has not given a person a skill set to deal with authorities, then the onus falls onto authorities to get the suspect up to speed, using their methods.
Verbal commands
Physical restraint
Arrest
Physical force/violence
As a parent, and grandparent, I've accepted responsibility for educating my offspring in ways which maximize survival when interacting with authorities, whether that be an elder, a teacher or other entity. I guarantee you that if it were me, or mine, at Fruitvale Station, any one of us would have actively shown signs of submission and cooperation to the police, and therefore, the police would not have seen the need to respond with increased control (grabbing a weapon).
The saddest part of all of this, to me, is that because this film was written and made, in the WAY it was, Oscar's legacy is that he became a Darwinism joke.
Just because you like bending over for others to do as they wish on you does not mean you should expect for anyone else to do the same.
Unbelievable.
Just because you like bending over for others to do as they wish on you does not mean you should expect for anyone else to do the same.
Unbelievable.
What a dumb ass. That was an excellent post. If you don't want to cooperate with the police, which is your legal duty, you deserve what you get.
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Just because you like bending over for others to do as they wish on you does not mean you should expect for anyone else to do the same.
Unbelievable.
Please cut and paste the quote from what I wrote which made you think I expressed any kind of "liking" the duty to submit to authority. I agree to it as a citizen who resides in America. I never said I liked it. I don't. I'm an adult though, so doing things which I personally dislike, but which benefit the community, are understandable and tolerable.
I never said Oscar shouldn't have asked questions of the police. He was told to sit down. Okay, that's a bother, right? Big deal! So, he had to obey, sit still and quietly UNTIL such time as it was his turn for individualized attention when he could talk. They were busy. All he had to do was wait. That's a maturity issue.
Obeying police commands is not a personal preference of mine - it's the law of the land, agreed to by the voters. When MOST people want the rules to change, they will, they do. As of now, police authority to stop, to detain and to command citizens is what the law supports. What's in it for you to pretend that this is an issue of personal choice?
You say, "unbelievable" and I say, "uninformed."
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shareYou should shorten your screen name by three letters. Idiot.
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You should shorten your screen name by three letters. Idiot.
What's fun about my screen name is times just like this! Because, you know, ^^^ that post is the most clever ever, the 1st, the top, number 1... blowing the board up with the intellectual insight expressed within. Seriously, NO ONE has ever noticed that part of the name before...
... or perhaps everyone has? Maybe it's only me who missed it.
... or perhaps I LOVE the shortened version and would use it instead. Great injustice really. I can write "prick" and there's no censor, but write my name correctly and the world shivers and quakes. ๎
Google, look it up... the meaning is available for for those whom don't already know the origin of it. Or, as I suspect will happen, be satisfied with your current exposure to knowledge and skip the learning opportunity and go for the self-congratulations, instead.
Are you aware that the post you wrote conveys nothing at all? It can be equated with a grunt. Why do you think anyone on an internet board cares about your personal displeasure with another poster? Kind of sad, lonely and egotistical, IMO. I hope you get better soon.
That aside, any thoughts on the thread topic?
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shareIt doesn't list his crimes...there is absolutely no need for that. They just show he's not "perfect" (like everyone else in this World, nobody is perfect)...he just sold weed to get by. After prison it was hard for him to find work..so he resorted to selling weed.
If that's ALL he did in life that was considered "bad" well then I'm an evil person because I've done A LOT worse...and I wouldn't consider what I do even wrong, but I'm FAR from perfect. Most people I know are far from perfect, but we all love eachother and would NEVER hurt anyone unless they caused pain to someone we love.
It was an honest movie showing that no human is perfect, but in this case...it was a former inmate who was in the process of selling weed to make money for his family. Not because he enjoyed doing that, but because he had to.
Even if he sold cocaine it would still be a tragic ending to me...whatever he did..it didn't matter once he was being arrested. The cops handled it SO POORLY that he was still an "angel" in my eyes. Someone who loved his family, didn't want to hurt others, and just tried to live his life...nothing evil about him.