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my theory on those who are turned

posted 11 years ago by virustwin
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Firstly this is an awesome movie. Not a horror in my opinion but a fantastic thriller and scifi. Onto the topic
Some are wondering why cliff turned but the other people he killed just died. My humble theory is that there is some chemical or the other (hormones?) That are secreted and transferred to the victim that turns them. That chemical is produced when there is some emotional attachment to the victim of some sort. Audrey liked Derek and felt pity toward him so she turned him. Derek was cliffs best friend who he cared for and even though he was feral when he 'killed' cliff, the latent emotion was there so he turned him without even knowing

That's what I came up with. What are your theories and what do you think about this one?

[–] dragonlord777 11 years ago

My theory is as long as you are bitten but survive, you turn. Derek probably only didn't drain Cliff to bad, at least enough for Cliff to survive.

[–] apophianstudios 11 years ago

He broke Cliff's neck first if you didn't notice. which probably killed him before he was even bitten.

[–] coreysawyer 11 years ago

Breaking your neck isn't certain death. He may have just been paralyzed and in a coma-like state from blood loss when he was buried

[–] JasmineLDN 11 years ago

Seems like a good theory, especially as the guy who kills for Audrey was unable to be turned despite their attempts.

I hope Cliff and Derek meet up at some point and become killing buddies

[–] balducci2 11 years ago

Actually, I think it was clear Audrey had no intent of turning anyone.

I think she never tried to 'turn' her boyfriend (the guy) ... that's why there was the hacksaw and why he had hacksaw wounds all over his body. He cut himself and let the blood flow out to feed her. I think she never directly bit him so that the virus (the affliction) was never passed on.

[–] imlindaheart 11 years ago

I was thinking that maybe he was turned because of his aneurysm or whatever he had, otherwise, why all the fuss about his health before leaving for the trip? But then again, near the end Audrey told him she chose him because he was going to die. Maybe that's why the aneurysm was included in the plot.

[–] AGreenman19 11 years ago

Maybe you should watch the movie before coming up with these "theories".

Audrey clearly felt pity for Derek, but her intent was NOT to turn him... here is a direct quote EXACTLY how it appears from the movie:

AUDREY: You were a mistake. I would never create another.

DEREK: So why did you choose me?

AUDREY: You were dying. I thought I was being kind.

Her goal was to kill him to put him out of his misery. There was no emotional connection (on the level of Clif+Derek); how could there be? They had known each other for like a couple hours.

The pity goes as far as putting him out of his misery, nothing more. What about all the other people she conned into killing? Presumably, her little club routine was just that: a routine. One that she did often. She hadn't turned anybody in 50 years, which means she has killed a LOT of people... you think that if even the slightest bit of emotional attachment meant turning somebody, there would be hundreds of vampires running around!

I can't explain Clif, since it would appear that killing a victim before feeding would mean the victim would NOT turn (and be dead), but it is possible that Clif didn't die from the broken neck, so the vampire "affliction" cured him of that.

But I think the more likely explanation is that there is no rhyme or reason to the nitpicky details of turning somebody, and the filmmakers just wanted an excuse to bring Clif back as a vampire. :p

[–] tripper511 11 years ago

I completely disagree. She specifically chooseoto turn him because he was dying and in turn thought she was doing a good deed by giving him eternal life. A guy who used the pick up line Cliff suggested by saying hes terminally ill futher pushed by his embrace for life by taking this year long trip. She realized it was a mistake because giving him this eternal life was also a curse.

You only turn into a vampire if your bit but not killed. Her son or whatever that guy was used a hacksaw to cut himself and feed her. She never bit him and those she did were drained until they died so they never turned.

The fate of Dereks friend Cliff is shown mid-credits. He attacks the 3 kids in the pool so you know he "lived".

[–] scoey50 11 years ago

You clearly didn't pay any attention to the movie. It's very clear that turning him was an accident. She actually told him it was an accident.
She chooses to feed on people who are dying. At the end you saw him choosing to kill a man who did bad things to children. She even spoke about the importance of being able to choose the correct victim.
You should pay more attention to a movie before posting a comment about it and making yourself look stupid.

[–] blasphemous_brat_prince 11 years ago

"You should pay more attention to a movie before posting a comment about it and making yourself look stupid"
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Whoa hold down your high horse dude, everybody is entitled to there opinions about any scene of the movie, being mean to the above poster just because that's what he thinks makes you worst then someone who is stupid in actual life. Chill out dude.

Who the hell are you to be so sure the Audrey only take victims that are dying?

Why would she hangout on a place not really frequented by sick or dying people? if she is such a vampire that take victims who are only dying then she have could just hangout on a hospital on the cancer ward or a home for the ages for that matter.

If she instructed Derek that he can choose his victims then it only means you can either kill the innocent or the evil-doer it doesn't really matter as kill is a kill, she's giving him just a choice whatever he can live with. Maybe this is what Audrey is doing too, finding two-face evil-doers at the bar.

I think Audrey had a thing for Derek aside from he was dying of a disease. You gotta admit Derek is a nice dude and he didn't come across a type of "douche bag" like scoey50, she was kissing him torridly too (I know this is common in those type of bars but who are we to truly know whats been going on with every couple who are kissing on a bar) She even approves of taking her home to bed.

I think she may have felt guilty of accidentally turning him without guiding him or explaining the changes, but she didn't kill him even when she had the power to do so or head on finding him and killing him within a matter of days if she truly meant it was just a mistake.

This is what I think what she meant about "mistake" living your newly turn fledgling or lover after one night stand and its really is a huge mistake if vampires were supposed to be hiding in secret with humanity and one misguided newbie turn berserk expose their kind to the world.

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[–] TheMoreEyeThink 11 years ago

Just finished watching. She never once said it was an accident. The last 2 lines are "Why did you choose me?" "You were dying. I thought I was showing sympathy." It seemed pretty clear what she did was intentional, though I guess you could take a glass half full or empty view on what "Showing sympathy" was actually intended to mean. I took it as she gave him eternal life as a good deed.

As for Clif, I think it was clear from what Audrey said to Derek; "If you don't feed, you will become a monster, killing uncontrollably constantly." that Clif, being the overly-nice guy he was, probably refused to kill/feed and unintentionally turned himself into a monster.

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[–] wanganegresse-17-66043 10 years ago

What? So you're just ignore the fact that she says she would never turn anyone. The kindness was killing him quickly, not turning him into the cursed state she couldn't escape herself. Good grief.

[–] wanganegresse-17-66043 10 years ago

Yes! What is this insistence on ignoring direct dialogue and exposition in the film to arrive at your own tortured and unsupported explanations? Freedom of speech, yes, but this is hilarious.

[–] urbanlife-534-170573 11 years ago

I'm not sure AGreenman19.If Audrie intention was to kill Derek ("to put him out of his misery") why she just hits him in the head and bites his shoulder. She could bite his neck, drain him and "end it". if that was the idea =)

[–] RDStrong 10 years ago

This could also be interpreted as her regretting turning him so she vowed to never do it again.

If she had no intention of turning him then why bite and leave?

[–] AureliusBady 11 years ago

OK, how do we know none of the agents killed turned?

We don't.

[–] huerta-t-a 11 years ago

When Derek is turned, we do not know exactly how long he was alone with Audrey. However, we do know their absence was short enough that his friends thought they could come in and surprise the lovers in the act. Instead, the friends were surprised to see their friend, Derek, semi-conscious and bleeding. They don't see Audrey but she has left her clothes...

Which led me to think the friends had returned to the hotel quickly to surprise Audrey while she was feeding and she left suddenly without her clothes. Derek remembers being hit by her and we see a wound in his upper left arm. Perhaps Audrey was feeding from his brachial artery before accessing his aorta through his jugular for some reason when she's interrupted.

I suppose Audrey was trying to feed only by selection and may have thought (or hoped) Derek was drained through his brachial, and never returned to see him.

[–] huerta-t-a 11 years ago

And Audrey chose Derek as a victim to be KILLED not turned because he was dying anyway.

[–] metal_devil_2003 11 years ago

Nah, I guess the whole thing is open to different interpretations although I have to say people like scoey50 acting like elitists, who think they know better is a bit ridiculous.
I think she chose to turn him. She never said it was an accident. She said it was a mistake but not because of the fact that he turned but because of how things turned out.
When she chose to turn him she though she was doing him a favor because he would die otherwise and that's why she said she though she was being kind. She also didn't say she didn't want to turn him - she said she would never create another, which implies that she wanted to turn him but now she realized it was a mistake that she doesn't intend to repeat.

[–] huerta-t-a 11 years ago

The assistant said she had never turned another in 50 years and Audrey herself said Derek was a mistake.

This makes sense because she believed she was practicing euthenasia, not vampire creation which she acknowledged was a tortured existence but at least WHO would be killed could be controlled. Euthenasia was out of pity. She never had nor would have condemned another when she herself admitted she wanted to but could not kill herself.

[–] wanganegresse-17-66043 10 years ago

Exactly.

[–] Demarates 10 years ago

Good points, huerta.

I agree that she INTENDED to kill him (so NOT to turn him), but was interrupted by his mates and thus had to leave her clothes.

Which means that Cliff, was most likely not dead.

When I'm gone I would like something to be named after me. A psychiatric disorder, for example.

[–] Artemis_Rules 11 years ago

You shouldnt try and explain paranormal events. They are supposed to be a mysteri.

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[–] Dobbsyisonfire 11 years ago

It's not 100% clear, I think. I'm sitting in the 'she intended to put him out of his misery' camp at the moment, though ...