Why does everyone make such a big deal out of the rape scene? - Hemlock Grove (2013) Discussion

[–] TyLee896 10 years ago

I honestly don't get it either. Besides the fact that she made out with him, took her clothes off, and let him tie her to the bed, what did he really do that freaked her out so much? For making weird faces? Why the hell would she invite him in like that anyway??? What she did was unwise.

And of course, it's just acting.

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[–] Erin-Leigh-14 10 years ago

regardless of what happened leading up to it, the minute she said no, it became rape.

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[–] v42 10 years ago

I wonder as well but almost as much because I don't know what scene everyone is talking about. It sounds like the sort of film waste that I might ignore as irrelevant and pandering though.

I'm sure if I cared enough, I'd get the info out of context from the posts but, Who raped whom?

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[–] maninblack_666 10 years ago

Roman with Ashley Valentine.

He was standing in front of her house in the pouring down rain after he saw Peter with Leetha.

A lot of folks said that it was anal, but nothing in the books or show suggested that. She wanted him to have sex with her, but she freaked when he flipped her over and was staring at himself in the mirror...

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[–] v42 10 years ago

Thanks, I know it makes me an insensitive dolt but I didn't catch that as rape at the time of viewing. I get it in the above context. I though that he had done his "mind meld" thing on her just to not let it become any form of relationship or just out of practice but as a rape, I can see a whole other motivation as well. I had compared it to his erasure of Leetha's memory as well.

I guess then that a rape scene is important to the degradation of Roman's character at the time.

We had thought Ashley was headed for a more significant role... Not pining, just thought.

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[–] Miranda9877 10 years ago

It was definitely rape but I didn't think it was that disturbing of a scene. There's certainly been more graphic and disrupting rape scenes on other shows.

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[–] Erin-Leigh-14 10 years ago

i'm glad that the camera didn't focus on her body during the rape part of the scene - it would definitely have been more disturbing to watch if we were seeing her naked, and therefore we were being sexually stimulated, while she was being raped. with the focus solely on Roman's face, it left us able to focus on his actions and how we, as viewers, felt about what he was doing. the rape was disturbing - the scene was not.

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[–] karawolf 10 years ago

She was primed, prepped and ready for a vaginal invasion..I thought a "southerly" penetration to be more rapey and violent, thus, the offended nature of her response

**these go to eleven **

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[–] Reading_Rainbow 10 years ago

a bunch of dudes sitting around talking about why a rape scene isn't disturbing. nice.

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[–] Why_Bother_14 10 years ago

Or how when a female clearly changes her mind, says No, and struggles that somehow means it's not rape just because she was initially okay with things. Apparently no doesn't mean no to some people.

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[–] Caribbean_Smurf 10 years ago

Statistically, underage boys get raped more often than girls. People without a Y chromosome do not have a monopoly on being rape victims. We ''dudes'' can discuss whatever we like.

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[–] Erin-Leigh-14 10 years ago

guys are definitely entitled to talk about rape. what nobody is entitled to do is justify rape when it happens. i didn't notice if you were one of the above commentors suggesting this scene wasn't a rape scene, so i'm not necessarily pointing fingers at you personally, but i am pointing fingers at anyone who downplayed this scene simply because she was initially willing to have sex with him. as soon as someone says stop and the other person doesn't stop, it becomes rape - girls OR guys.

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[–] Erin-Leigh-14 10 years ago

are you talking about the Roman/Leetha rape? because i agree Roman can't be held responsible for that one. but the Roman/Ashley rape? i believe he was in control of himself and therefore was responsible for his actions - and to me, it was clearly rape.

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[–] Erin-Leigh-14 10 years ago

hmm.. i don't know. i mean, legally, in real life, the only time a person is not held responsible for their actions is if they truly didn't understand they were doing something wrong. one of the ways the courts determine whether they understand that or not is by determining whether they did anything to cover it up after the fact. by compelling Ashley to forget that he was there, let alone that he'd had sex with her while she was telling him to stop, Roman was indicating that he knew he'd done something wrong.

regardless of that, though - whether he was in control of himself or not, whether he can be held to blame or not - his actions led to Ashley being raped. that, at least, is clear cut. she said multiple times to stop, and he didn't. that is rape. there is no justification for it. no matter the circumstances, for the victim the result is the same. Ashley is fortunate that she doesn't remember it, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. and (not what you're doing, but i think it's important to say) downplaying the situation because the perpetrator may not have been in control of himself, or because the victim initially wanted it, or because the victim doesn't remember it, leads people in the real world to justify rape - and to ask questions like "why does everyone make such a big deal out of the rape scene?". because rape is a big deal, that's why.

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[–] Erin-Leigh-14 10 years ago

yes, i can see where that argument can be made.

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[–] Erin-Leigh-14 10 years ago

so Ashley herself may have been okay with the sex? that's a different situation entirely then :)

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[–] TheFatDruidofNacyl 10 years ago

the scene itself is part of it. For me it was also because he seemed to want to be the good guy (hero) that rape just seems more wrong because of it. Although the fact that while she was tied up he was telling her to call him ugly while he forced himself on her was disturbing. Was an interesting scene though.

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