Is this all it takes to showcase a 'strong independent woman' in film? - Wild (2014) Discussion

[–] FredBurroughs (22284) 7 years ago

Why don't you try out heroin addiction and see how far you can walk?

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[–] not_a_virus.exe (1267) 7 years ago

For what? Would I have a movie made about me too if I did?

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[–] FredBurroughs (22284) 7 years ago

You never know. Heck, I'd make a movie about you if you managed to do anything interesting while addicted to heroin. That's a promise.

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[–] legnadibrom (6515) 7 years ago

illegal to persuade an individual to partake in heroin injection over the internet in Canada

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[–] TaRaNRoD (1579) 7 years ago

"illegal to persuade an individual to partake in heroin injection over the internet in Canada"

Man, get off your high horses.

1. It was clearly not a serious persuasion and if op actually does try heroin because of it, well he's a retard anyways.

2. He DOES have a point. An heroin addict who gets out of his addiction and achieve anything other than find drugs for better price is kinda impressive.

3. I live in Canada and even though I don't doubt it's technically illegal on paper, I'm quite sure no one will waste their time to track his ip, find where he lives, arrest him and bring him to justice with valid reasons. Jeez, where I live there was a guy who did a massive shooting who had been posting disturbing posts on facebook for months prior. No one arrested him. So I doubt anyone would care for such a weak "persuasion".

4. People make these kinds of statements/comments all the time without actually meaning it. You probably should get out more.

5. He might not even live in Canada, which would make your comment irrelevant.

6. Get that dildo out of your ass, grow up and get a fucking life.

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[–] not_a_virus.exe (1267) 7 years ago

Like hitchhike?

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[–] brux (14840) 7 years ago

You seem to be going around trolling trying to pick on things you can excite right-wing nuts over. This is based on a true story of someone's messed up life and redemption from a "spiritual journey". I can see that means nothing to you but another chance to insult and troll. Who is it that is patting her on the back? Who says she is a hero?

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[–] captainbucky (15252) 7 years ago

I liked this movie

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[–] not_a_virus.exe (1267) 7 years ago

It seems that every time someone has any criticism these days, they are rejected simply as trolls. If you aren't interested in having a conversation then beat it. I'm just laying out my opinion the same as anyone else does on a message board. Who is it that's patting her on the back? The film. A movie was made about a woman who literally did nothing other than hitchike her way across the west coast. There's literally no story. Even as dislikeable Chris Mcandless was in Into the Wild, you could at least admire him for his outlook on life. He told the story from a very passionate point of view. This? There was nothing to tell. She had no personal beliefs she held dear, she had no ultimate goals or dreams, no wishes, she just randomly decided to start walking......for no reason...

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[–] Wuchak (8855) 7 years ago

She walked to free herself from drug abuse and get her mind & body focused on a more positive activity. She was going by spiritual instincts. She didn't have any personal beliefs she held dear, as you put it, but her walking was a spiritual quest to perhaps obtain such a belief or just for the hope of living free.

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[–] not_a_virus.exe (1267) 7 years ago

Is that really something so important that it needs to be told in a movie adaptation? I'm just trying to understand what the moral of the story is here. Because nothing was told in the movie. It truly felt, as you put it, that it was her own "spiritual journey". As if we were watching someone else learn something that we were unable to see. In Into the Wild, Chris learns that happiness is only worth enjoying when it's spent with other people. The moral was that his desire for loneliness was not as desirable in the end. But here we have nothing to walk away with. There's no moral in the end. She just walks. It's like if she managed to learn anything at all, it was all in her head and not shared with the audience. No final words of wisdom, not intellectual send off, just "ok I think I'm done now you guys can stop watching me". That's what it felt like. Extremely underwhelming.

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[–] Wuchak (8855) 7 years ago

I haven't seen "Wild" yet (I was speaking in generalities based on the plot description and similar books/films), but what you describe reminds me of the non-ending of "Meek's Cutoff" (I didn't mind it, but my wife hated it). I'll view the movie before commenting further.

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[–] Wuchak (8855) 7 years ago

The drummer of Rush did something similar years ago (circa 2000) after his wife and daughter died not far apart. He jumped on his motorcycle and drove to the West Coast from Toronto and then south into the USA. It took weeks/months. He wrote a book about it. It was obviously very therapeutic.

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[–] BornSpecial (2) 7 years ago

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[–] Wuchak (8855) 7 years ago

I didn't actually see the movie yet; so I'll have to view it before commenting on the film's themes with greater accuracy. But I have seen "Into the Wild." I was speaking in generalities based on the plot description of "Wild" and what people have said about it on this thread: That the woman was trying to escape the bondage of drug addiction and was going by her instincts to find freedom via a spiritual quest in the form of her hike, which would keep her mind & body busy and distracted from drugs.

The disease is affluence

I don't think the disease is affluence, but rather one's broken spiritual condition, which needs revamped. THEN people can have money without it having them.

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[–] brux (14840) 7 years ago

> It seems that every time someone has any criticism these days, they are rejected simply as trolls.

The criterion for trolling is not just criticism, in fact trying to make criticism and trolling equivalent is a way of trolling. If that is really your honest opinion, then you seem to me to be unqualified to actually have an opinion since you only seem to be able to search and twist things to fit a pattern of right-wing trolling.

I thought Into The Wild was a good movie. In fact it is a good comparison to this movie. This woman's inner journey just happened to leave her alive, unless McCandless, but aside from that, they are two different takes on life. I don't know why you seem to preferentially want to pick on the woman here since these two stories are so similar.

All movies, all stories, all lives have gaps in them. Even our internal stories neuroscientists tell us are subjectively incomplete. I am trying to point out to you that you have a very biased, and unpleasant way of filling in those voids to fit your own prejudices, and you seem very uninterested and unwilling to see that or think about it and more interested in shouting it out there for some kind of validation. Thus, the word troll. That is from my point of view not trying to have a conversation. I'll take you at your word that you honestly want to have a conversation, but you seem to only want to hear things that agree with you, and not willing to question your own assumptions.

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[–] not_a_virus.exe (1267) 7 years ago

I think the fact that you're TRYING to find a pattern of "right wing trolling" in everything I write is your projection of an idea of trolling. I hate to bear the brunt of bad news, but your assertion that someone is "unqualified to have an opinion" on a film based on nothing more than your completely random assertion that they're a "right wing troll" suggests that you aren't even willing to contend someone's opinion so long as you feel they're politics don't match up with yours. I've never even heard the term "right wing troll" until today.

I already told you why I'm picking on her. She did nothing profound in the film. She chose to live a terrible life filled with infidelity and drugs when she didn't hitchhike, and didn't live a particularly interesting one when she did. Chris McCandless on the other hand did. He was spontaneous, interesting, fun, sociable, had charisma, met a bunch of people who ended up changing their lives, even if he was in the end, ill-prepared, foolish, and arrogant to what he was getting himself into. There was a lot to like about him. There was literally nothing to admire about this woman at all. She slept around on her husband, did copious amounts of drugs, and then decides to clean herself up but walking, but when she does it, she isn't even all that interesting to the people she meets. She doesn't teach us anything.

I know what you're telling me, I'm just showing you why you're out of your field trying to play the clinical psychologist. You're hearing what you want to hear. You have formed an opinion of me that you aren't quite comfortable with. And so you're projecting your own bias against me and hoping that will be enough reason to dismiss everything I'm saying. You yourself don't want to hear me out and have your opinion reshaped, because then it would destroy the idea that I'm a troll. And you can't let that happen. So what makes you better than me?

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[–] liscarkat (19418) 4 years ago

The fact that this idiot calls someone who disagrees a "right wing troll" and says they are unqualified to have an opinion shows that he is a self-righteous, arrogant, left wing moron.

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[–] Otter (24464) 7 years ago

Except it's not really the story of a strong independent admirable woman, it's the story of a hot mess trainwreck who somehow managed to save herself. And saved herself by doing some pretty stupid and dangerous stuff.

It's an odd story, an uneasy mix of cautionary tale and inspiration, but then real life never fits into neat categories.

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[–] not_a_virus.exe (1267) 7 years ago

But not all categories get movies made after them. The idea that the moral of the story is that if you start hitchhiking, you will end up fixing your life, is a poor moral to tell the audience.

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[–] fishpan (544) 6 years ago

Seen films where a 'strong independent man' did less and was more of a tw@t and he was the hero.

But please troll and turn this into butthurt gender crap

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