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What did the aliens reveal about themselves by using the kids?


While I didn't read the books, I thought the aliens revealed some things about themselves accidentally and unintentionally that shouldn't have revealed.
1) They are sneaks and cowards.
2) Even with a reduced global population, there are a lot more of human survivors than there are of them. Why would you used humans to kill humans if you have superior numbers. They don't.
3) When they had to resort to using our weapons, then that means their technology wasn't that much greater than ours and we survived their best punch and we're still standing.
4) They were so bad at handling the resources of their own home planet that they have to come here to steal ours.

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My take on this is similar.

But i rather thought that the reason they use us, is not because of their low numbers, but rather because theyre fairly weak in their actual form. Possibly something akin to an insect or small rodent.
Something that would be fairly defenseless against a human or even a bird of prey or a domestic cat.
Thats why they need us to clear the way first.


On your fourth point, id like to mention the following:
I dont believe they came here for the resources, but for the living space.

Any space-faring civilization with sufficiently advanced technology, would find it much much easier to harvest resources from celestial objects like asteroids, "dead" comets or other planets.
Just think of how difficult it is to gather precious metals on earth. You have to dig up a lot for a very small yield, while also destroying the habitat.

Gold, iridium, silver,platinum, tungsten, iron, cobalt, nickel, aluminium, titanium etc. etc. are so abundant on many asteroids. For us it might be unfeasible yet, but those aliens already build giant spacecraft...i dont think it would be much of a stretch for them to gather them up and grind them down.
As far as we know Europa is, save for an iron core, made up almost entirely of silicates and water. Need some of that? You almost literally just have to scoop it up.

So in conclusion they either need the living space of a habitable planet...or something else entirely.

The first book (the only one i read) mentions that they have been watching us for 6000 Years before they came here.
I dont know what to make of that.









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My reply to you is in the same reply to Cybermastah.


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"1) They are sneaks and cowards.
2) Even with a reduced global population, there are a lot more of human survivors than there are of them. Why would you used humans to kill humans if you have superior numbers. They don't.
3) When they had to resort to using our weapons, then that means their technology wasn't that much greater than ours and we survived their best punch and we're still standing. "

1. Maybe, but the most modern militaries in the world today would favor training sympathetic members of the nations they're invading so that the people would just kill each other rather than waste their own men's lives. Sneaky and cowardly? Yes, but it's a modern day tactic as well.

2. Same answer as above, why waste your own men's lives when the ones being invaded can be persuaded to kill each other instead.

3. It's easier to walk right up to someone if they think you're human like them. Advanced tech makes you stand out.

4. Possibly? The story hasn't made their reason all that clear. Don't forget the British once took over Australia to have a place to put its convicts. All Vosch (the commander guy) said was they need the space, not WHY they need the space. They could even be intending to expand their living space, even humans have had frontiersmen in the past who would've appeared in the same light to the native populations.

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Okey, I'm answering two posters at once here.
Nice answers, Cybermastah and The-Bmm, and very well thought out. But ones I would have to debate in several parts.

First, while it is true that some traditional warfare does use and train "sympathetic members of the nations they're invading," (that goes back to Rome and they used them in the front lines of the battles while the nobles and members of their own nation are further back from the front of the lines, The generals in the back and commanding by remote), the children in this movie were not sympathetic to The Others (TOs). The were flat out brainwashed and lied to by what they thought were human adults but were actually TOs. Big Difference. Why? Because are more trusting of adult authority figures and more gullible than adults. They are not as skeptical as adults are. If anything, The-Bmm is more on track with TOs' actual form being small and vulnerable that they might need larger hosts to protect themselves planet side. In fact, while the character of Colonal Vosch reveals that TOs have infect humans and use them as hosts*, it was Evan that revealed that TOs infect humans when they are children. Therefore, the kidnapping the kids has two purposes. 1) Harvesting the kids as a source of hosts.** 2) Training the rest as a weapon to kill off the remaining adult humans.

2 - Look at the weapons TOs used in the film. We already have most of them here on earth. Chemical warfare has been around since WW1. Biological Warfare has been around for as nearly as long (but rarely used since there are problems as how store the weapon and use it without it hurting our own troops). Flying drones used to scout and kill people. We already have that too. We have spy satellites. We airplane drones that can transmit pictures and deliver missiles with the actual pilot pushing the firing button half way around the world from the target. We have small flying drones that can carry bombs and go cameras too. (In fact, many low budget non-science TV programs use of the shelf flying drones fitted with go cameras in order to take aerial shoots). In others words, we can kill by remote control. Perfect example of the not just recent history but also in the film "Eye In The Sky" which was based on an actual incident and the technology use in it. I will get back to that later. An electromagnetic pulse is a by product of the nuclear bomb when one is denoted in the atmosphere. That was discovered when testing it. Since then, sceincists had discovered ways to generate one by other means and how to protect our own equipment from one. The only weapon that the aliens had used that we, on this planet, don't already have some crude form of is the one that created the earthquakes. But scientists have been studying ways to do that and some say fracking can cause that. In fact there are fictional but well researched books that say a nuclear bomb debated at a major stress point of a fault line between Teutonic plates can possibly cause one (likely not true but possible). This idea has been discussed in science fiction like "Titan A.E." and "Star Trek". Tracking devices injected into or attached to a body, human or animal, are also here on earth already and in use. So TOs' technology is not vary much more advance than ours. That now raises the question are they using our own tech and weapons against us.

But getting back to killing by remote control. Drones or robots are already used in many dangerous situations where it is too dangerous to send in a human being. For certian type of bombs, robots are used to disarm or debate them from a safe distance away from human beings. In warfare, I had already mentioned drones. While it is true you do not occupy a country until you have actual living soldiers boots on the ground there, it has been discussed in several films as finally using robots, humanlike surrogates, androids, and drones to replace soldiers in battle. Films like D.A.R.Y.L. (1985), Surrogates (2009), The Terminator (1984), and many others. In fact, a crude version of how the army was depicted in "Surrogates", is closer than you think. It is only question of resources and finance as to weather one can be built and maintained and be as effective as human army. Therefore, if TOs were far more techically than us, drones and androids would have far more used than what was shown in the film.


* A classic way to deceive is to mix a little truth with a whole lot of lies or by omitting certian facts like Vosch and all the solders in the camp scene were TOs inside human bodies. Not one soldier there was human. But basically, a classic pattern is to mix a truth with a lie.
** Which is a variation of an idea H. G. Wells talked about in "War Of The Worlds" where the possibility of the aliens ranching, herding, and slaughtering humans as a food source. Also Star Trek Deep Space Nine had a major character who had another alien living in her head. They called that a "Symbiotic" relationship. It was talk about how members of one race was grown and used as hosts for the other race.





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I read the first book and can tell you that there is a reason why they didn't wipe out the world's population. I just haven't figured it out yet.

In the book they talk about weapons that the others have that are slightly superior to what humans have. They have drones that are slightly more advanced than ours and they have bombs that can level an encampment and basically salt the earth at the same time. (They don't sound so sophisticated the way I describe them but I'm not doing a very good job)

They never said why they left their home planet but they also left their corporeal forms behind as well.

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