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I didn't really have sympathy for Paul's victims

posted 8 years ago by archer6749
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When the first one we met (Sara Kay) was introduced she was talking about sex and how it's a necessity "if you're doing it right". She's flirting her butt off with her co-worker and talking about how a culture has "walking marriages" where they basically have one night stands. When the police searches her place, one of them finds her vibrator underneath her underwear and when it was discovered that she was pregnant, she wasn't even in a committed enough relationship for anyone to even know who the father was.

Then there was Annie Brawley who left a video message talking about how she was into sex with either male or female and how she has a high threshold for pain.

Basically, Paul's victims seemed like a bunch of sluts

[–] Portrait-of-a-Statue 8 years ago

Holy moly, Neanderthal. I got news for you. Women flirt and like sex, including masturbation. That does not make them "sluts." That you think it does speaks volumes about you.

This reminds me of how the coke-using, prostitute employing, criminal former husband of Spector's victim Alice Parker Monroe shamed her for wearing short skirts after their divorce. Like he's one to talk.

For every animal bought, a shelter animal dies.

[–] Huckleberry99 8 years ago

Holy moly, Neanderthal.

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Is he for real or trolling? Well maybe you enlightened him.. or other borderline neandys...

[–] archer6749 8 years ago

And I got news for you myself. First of all, I am a female and not all of us likes to flirt, have sex and masturbate. Some of us believe the importance of waiting until marriage, to act like ladies and not openly talk about sex. You can only lose your virginity one time. I would much rather lose my virginity to my husband. Not JUST a boyfriend or JUST a girlfriend or JUST anybody for the sake of losing it. If people waiting until marriage, nothing but good can come out of it. There would be less abortions, less HIV patients, less children on orphanages that wasn't wanted. So maybe you believe in women hitting their backs and spreading their legs but I don't.

[–] SomeMovieReference 8 years ago

So...they were okay to be murdered because they had sex before marriage? Don't think the economy could take that kind of population cull

So, I just write something here and it will appear on everything I post?

[–] Portrait-of-a-Statue 8 years ago

Okay. You are a female. And, unlike Spector's victims, an uneducated one I dare say. Or a bible thumper. Same thing.

For every animal bought, a shelter animal dies.

[–] rscottcarlson 8 years ago

You make a great point, then you have to judge just like the OP did, and equate ignorance with religious people(bible thumpers). And I'm not religious, so don't go there with me.

[–] fede_4488 8 years ago

If it quacks like a duck...

[–] MysticsOcean01 8 years ago

Actually the best way to prevent HIV, and unwanted pregnancy is sex education with heavy emphasis on ALL birth control methods. This is why most of the northern and western Europe countries suffer from very low STD's and birth rates as compared to here in the United States. The states with the highest unwanted pregnancy rates are in the south where abstinence is emphasized over proper birth control methods. We also see extreme decline whenever true sex education is taught in schools. Carrying condoms is no big deal in many of the above places, and women carry them at much higher rates than here in the United States. The places that repress sex the most, especially women sexuality have the highest prostitution, violence against women occurrences, and rape rates in the world. The places that are most open to it suffer from these the least.

To say that nothing but good can come out of waiting for marriage is incorrect and not every woman's experience for many wind up sexually unsatisfied and unable to communicate about their sexual wants with their partners. It might not be your experience, but there are plenty of women who experience this.

Sex is natural, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with women enjoying it and enjoying it with different me/women. Women have the right to make their own decisions, and just as women who enjoy sex with multiple partners before marriage should not be ostracized you should not be ostracized for your decision not to engage in sex before marriage.

[–] bigmovieman 8 years ago

So women deserve to be murdered for doing what men have been quite comfortable doing without such judgment since before recorded history. Do you hear yourself?

You are certainly a deeply repressed individual, seeing female sexuality like some holy item that becomes tainted if it is enjoyed to the same extent as male sexuality. Attitudes like this have kept women down for centuries, it's a shame that you, as a woman, have bought into it.

The reality is where sexuality is less repressed, where people learn about safe, healthy sexuality STi's and Abortions are lower then places where abstinence "education" is promoted. Look it up, you've been deceived.

[–] archer6749 8 years ago

I never said they deserved it, I said they acted like whores. I don't get you people. All of you people claim to be your own person but then when somebody is against something then you all are like "everybody else is doing it".

[–] bigmovieman 8 years ago

//I never said they deserved it, I said they acted like whores.//

Yeah, basically that's pretty well implying "they were asking for it", if you think enjoying sex and not behaving like a 1950's housewife makes one a whore then you're essentially slut-shaming the vast majority of the female population. One can enjoy sex and still be their own person, it's a part of life, just like eating and sleeping, which I assume you regularly do too.

[–] archer6749 8 years ago

I believe in waiting for your spouse. As I said before, you can only lose your virginity once, if you can't wait for your spouse then it shows where you stand what your husband/wife means to you. I've heard people say they wish they would have waited after they were married, but rarely do I come across someone who says they were glad they didn't. Also, as I had said before, if people waited then HIV rates would go down, abortion rates would go down, orphanages wouldn't be so full. So, nothing but good can come out of waiting. And I never said they asked for it either, but shows now has a habit of throwing sex in wherever they can and we could have done without Sarah talking about sex being something you needed to live or her vibrator being found on the bed or Annie telling complete strangers that she's willing to basically do anything sexual with either male or female. The scene where Paul meets the girl on the train would have been a good way to meet one of his victims, or them at their job and him watching them, or whatever. Just something where sex didn't have to be involved.

[–] bigmovieman 8 years ago

You didn't read my first comment, societies where sexuality isn't so repressed have LOWER HIV rates, abortions, and even teen pregnancies. This is why the southern more conservative US states are leading in those areas. Meanwhile more sexually open European countries have some of the lowest rates in the world. Look it up, there are no stats that prove anything you said.

Sex is a natural instinct, repressing may be easy for some but harder for others. This is why you have so many abuse scandals in organizations that promote abstinence. It's a physical need programmed into our natural biology , just like eating or sleeping. Repressing such needs is always a bad idea and as such there's no need to treat virginity like its some precious item to be sold to highest bidder. This idea is basically just a holdover from earlier times when women were essentially property and their virginity was literally sold via dowry.

As for the how it relates to the story the victim's open sexuality I see it more as a representation for how society (Paul) likes to control female sexuality, making it more about pleasure for men then allowing women to express their own sexuality. Something that sharply contrasted by the lead female character, who is essentially trying to do the opposite.

[–] MysticsOcean01 8 years ago

We must be reading the same information, I posted this information above as well.

The OP creator failed to understand the entire point of the show.

[–] MysticsOcean01 8 years ago

You failed to understand the entire point of the show. Your focus on the actions of the victim as opposed to the perpetrator is exactly why this show was created.

Paul's victims were sexually empowered educated women who he felt entitled to torture and murder.

Why does having sex, and openly enjoying it take away their right to life?

Disturbing that you have no sympathy for a fellow human being. I'm glad the show is fake for this sake. I hope if you ever learn about a woman, potentially a prostitute, who has been murdered you would feel that she has the same right to life as the woman who is not. I would hope that your lack of sympathy only extends to a fake tv show and not people in real life.

[–] filmfancy 8 years ago

Disturbing that you have no sympathy for a fellow human being. I'm glad the show is fake for this sake. I hope if you ever learn about a woman, potentially a prostitute, who has been murdered you would feel that she has the same right to life as the woman who is not. I would hope that your lack of sympathy only extends to a fake tv show and not people in real life.

Very well said. Unfortunately the OP sounds like quite a judgmental person.

And all the pieces matter (The Wire)

[–] MysticsOcean01 8 years ago

Yes, it seems so :(

Unfortunately, there is a large percentage of people in the world who feel this way which is what leads to violence against women and a lack of empathy for more open and progressive women.

[–] mikko-sandt 8 years ago

You sound like a horrible person. You don't have sympathy for victims of a psychopathic killer because they didn't live up to your high-and-mighty standards?

I mean, did you actually just imply you have less sympathy for a murder victim because she had a vibrator? What are you, a Christian (because that'd make sense)?

[–] ScottishKate 8 years ago

Not all Christians are ultra right wing conservatives. I'm from a very liberal country where it's possible to be Christian and not judge or hate other people's views and lifestyle choices.

To not have sympathy for another living creature having their life ended in such a brutal and terrifying manner is indeed horrible. Doesn't sound very Christian to me.

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[–] fede_4488 8 years ago

Ladies and gentlemen,I present to you misogyny

[–] labonykaushal-2 8 years ago

Is this person for real? I think she is just bored like Katie.😂 😜

[–] Cscui 8 years ago

You are what is wrong with this world. I even feel sympathy for criminals that get executed like by one of their own or when they get beaten or whatever, it doesn't matter, I feel sympathy for the hurt, that doesn't mean I don't want them to get punished for what they did but is the kind of sympathy for a human being.
And you call sluts anyone that has sex or has a vibrator? my God! And I'm a Christian and I love and enjoy sex and no I didn't have the chance to wait, maybe I wish I had but then if I had waited then maybe I wouldn't be what I am today and I'm grateful for that, made me a stronger, confident person, and not because the sex part, but because the choices, some people can wait others can't is just the way it is but that doesn't make a woman a slut or a whore. So by your logic then most men are sluts too?
By reading how you express yourself about sex and other women I feel pity for you, repressed, insecure maybe envious? I have an education, a career, good living, a family, oh and yes I read the Bible.
You insist that by waiting, less bad things would come into this world, you are a person that waits and still you don't have sympathy for other people just because they are promiscuous? I wonder if you don't feel sympathy for fat people because they eat too much or stuff like that just because this or that? hmm

[–] CosyCatNap 8 years ago

Thanks, Cscui. You restored my faith in humanity a bit.

But I have love in my heart - Yes, as a thief has riches, a usurer money