So, what was the point of this movie? - Dear White People (2014) Discussion

[–] Camara1591 10 years ago

I'm going to try to make you understand it as best as I can:

1.) Wanting to touch our hair is racist and offensive. Too many white people think that racist means saying the N-word, but it's more than that. We are not monkeys in a zoo for you to poke and prod. You wouldn't go up to an Asian person and ask to play with their eyes, why do you think it's okay to play with out hair?

2.) Instituional racism is alive and well, just because you've never experienced it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You've probably never experienced sexism or homophobia, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

3.) what country did you go to, because I'm not buying it.

June 14, 2013; The Return of the King \S/

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[–] TwoFourSixOhOne24601 10 years ago

1.) That's neither the actual definition of racism nor the reinvented one discussed in the movie. Are people seriously just defining it however they want now? You might find it uncomfortable or offensive, but white people aren't doing it to oppress, insult, or discriminate. It happens to me when I go anywhere. I've got long straight hair that girls of all races can't keep their fingers out of. How is it racist for a white person to do that, but no one else?

2.) I didn't say that institutional racism didn't exist, I said that institutional bias is a problem. Race is part of it, so is class. Like I said, I've got long hair. Depending on how I'm dressed or shaved, I get treated completely differently. One day I might get followed around a store by security, the next I might get treated like a celebrity. Stop alienating allies by claiming that only black people experience this, and white people can't possibly understand. You are no more an expert on my experiences than I am of yours.

3.) I've lived all over the world. Mid east, Africa, Asia, Europe, the Caribbean, and Australia. People were just as prone to being good or bad wherever I went, but the predominatly black countries are what I referred to in the first post, since it suits the topic.

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[–] Camara1591 10 years ago

1.) Prior history has to be taken into account. Let's just be honest here: white people have been (see you next Tuesday's) to black people for centuries. You've been mocking our hair, lips and skin color for CENTURIES. From black face to sambo to just mocking our hair in general.

People touch your hair out of genuine appreciation. White people touch black people's hair because they think it's weird. They don't appreciate it. White people need to learn that they're in a position of power, you won't ever know what it's like from our perspective.

2.) And if you think race isn't a problem, you're wrong. I've been stopped by a cop, wearing a suit, for being in a neighborhood he thought I didn't belong. His first assumption wasn't that I was in the neighborhood to see a friend or that I was was just passing by, he just assumed that I was here to steal since he told me that he got reports that "someone was acting suspicious."

In a suit, in the middle of the day, I looked suspicious? Okay, race had nothing to do with it, I know tons of white kids would've been stopped, too.

3.) I doubt it. I'm from another country, specifically an African country, and, thanks to Colonialism, most Africans believe that Europeans are superior. I'm not buying it.

June 14, 2013; The Return of the King \S/

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[–] TwoFourSixOhOne24601 10 years ago

1.) Why does prior history have to be taken into account? Because some people of a certain color were a$$holes, all people of that same color should be held accountable forever, no matter if their ancestors were even in that part of the world? How is *that* not racist? My direct ancestors were in Europe until last century, then my dad's family moved to Asia until the 60s. No slaves. No segregation. No black face. Maybe they did slant eyes, I don't know. How am I in any way responsible for what someone else did? Are you accountable for black gang violence and Somali pirates? It's the same logic.

And how do you know what white people's motives are for touching your hair? Your assumptions are completely made up, and you have to know that. People do the same things for the same reasons. Motives don't magically change based on skin color, just because it suits *Your* biases.

2.) Again, I didn't say race isn't a problem. I said it IS a problem, among others. You get stopped because you're black; aside from my experiences overseas, I've gotten stopped, detained, cuffed, and had my car searched by a K-9 unit because of my hair. Biases sucks no matter what the reason, but you're not alone in experiencing them. Don't alienate your allies.

3.) Again, if I can't judge your experiences, you can't judge mine. It happened, whether you deny it or not.

You sound so much like how people describe white racists and racism deniers, it's both scary and hilarious. Switch the colors, and people act like it's suddenly intellectual or something.

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[–] Camara1591 10 years ago

1.) Making fun of black people was a cultural thing in Western society. It wasnt just a group of racists or a small faction of the population, making fun of African Americans was the norms for decades. Amos and Andy was a popular show that broadcasted black face and was popular in America. The VAST majority of white Americans thought mocking black people was hilarious and acceptable, that's not the same as the small percentage of African Americans in gangs or Somali pirates, when we're not in Solamia.

And I don't know what a white person's motive is, but I am telling you the perception of how we feel when you try to touch out hair. We don't like it, we find it degrading. Why can't you accept that? Do you feel so damn entitled that you HAVE to touch our hair whether we like it or not?

2.) But if you're agreeing that race is a problem, what are we arguing about? Your experience was unique, not a lot of White Americans can share the same story, but EVERY African American man can share my story--even U.S. attorney General Eric Holder and President Barack Obama has shared their stories. It doesn't matter if you're wealthy or not, you're seen as lesser no matter what we wear, how we speak or how educated we are.

3.) I don't believe you, I'm sorry.

June 14, 2013; The Return of the King \S/

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[–] TwoFourSixOhOne24601 10 years ago

It is the same thing. You can't hold people accountable for something they didn't do, because of what people their color have done, especially when it wasn't even done directly to you. That's just insane. Is it terrible that it happened? Yes. Do I have any reason to feel guilty, and do I deserve any resentment for it? No. Does it still happen? Yes. Do I want it to end? YES! My wife is black (from one of those countries I lived in, and part of why I got harassed there) and our kids are mixed. We now live in a very liberal city, and are insulated from it, but I'm scared about traveling places where they'd get treated like I did, or worse, because I know it's still out there on both sides.

The problem I have with being held accountable is that it can lead to experiences like I had, and lead to a cycle of mutual hate. Where does that get anybody? I'm trying to focus on the root of our problem, because that's something we can fight together. Racism is one symptom of a class-based bias. The way people are fighting it now (calling EVERYTHING racist, but only when it applies to them) is only making it worse, and alienating allies.

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[–] MandumeYaNdemufayo 10 years ago

Of course you can. If you reap the benefits of what other people have done before you, you DO have a responsibility to right the wrongs. It doesn't matter if your family didn't own slaves or not. That is NOT what it is about.

Secondly, racism is an ECONOMIC institution of OPPRESSION. It's not about feelings. It is about keeping wealth & privileges within ones ethnic group. So no, you have not experienced any racism at all. To be racist, you have to DOMINATE the economy (both in your community, country, and ultimately, globally) , you can't oppress other people without ECONOMIC POWER to ENFORCE whatever bigoted views one might possess. When you control the economy, you control the businesses, media, law enforcement, legislators etc. What's impacting African peoples lives (on the continent or in the diaspora) is not being called a slur. It's not getting a job, it's getting profiled (and murdered) by the police, it's getting incarcerated at higher rates than other ethnic groups, it's about not getting justice in the court system(s), it's about gentrification, it's about being excluded from the housing market, it's about not getting loans at the bank(s) and so forth.

THAT is what negatively impacts people of African descent in any "meaningful" way, i.e THAT's how RACISM operates. It is a GROUP INSTITUTION, and it is an institution that black people CANNOT practice today. There ARE NO African racists anywhere on this planet. Africans do not have the institutionalized power (as a group) to negatively affect another ethnic group on a major scale. Simply being harassed is not racism, and racism has not got ANYTHING to do with class whatsoever. It is PURELY an ECONOMIC system of OPPRESSION, and it is currently only practiced effectively by ONE ethnic group, commonly known as "whites" or "caucasians".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi9imppcCUc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9kvQXhZzrM

The only way it is going to end is if black people realize that it can only be fought economically, i.e creating their own businesses, media, banking institutions and so forth, so that they can negate the effects of racism, coming together as a race, indoctrinating their children (NOT mixed-raced children) to follow in their footsteps, keeping their AFRICAN traditions, spiritual systems etc, so that the generations who comes after us has a SOLID foundation in which they can expand their empowerment further. It's about keeping the black/african (they are synonymous with each other) "dollar" within the community. That has NOTHING to do with hate, but everything to do with love for one's race. Every race put the needs of their own first, that's how life has been since the beginning, so this whole multicultural, multiracial *beep* is something that only serves to stunt the growth of African peoples, as you are doing right now. Your bastard-kids will not identify themselves as being African/Black, hence their actions later in life will most probably not be in the favor of African peoples. That is a LOSS for African peoples, so if you really wanted racism to end, you wouldn't have married an African woman.

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[–] TwoFourSixOhOne24601 10 years ago

Lol. Just. Lol.
Get out of your parent's basement, travel the world, see what's really going on out there (YouTube doesn't count) before trying to pathetically dictate what billions of people should do. I was an aid worker for years, all over the world. Lived with the rich, poor, black, brown, white, etc. Every race is the same. Same needs, same desires, same temptations, same evils, same tendencies to abuse their power, but also the same capacity for love and kindness.

Culturally there are differences, but not racially. Some people, like you, Nazis, and ISIS, encourage "their" people to be stupid, divisive a$$holes. But there are equal amounts of goodness scattered throughout the spectrum. It's like the French vs Canadians: same race, same language, but one group is notoriously arrogant and exclusive, the other is known for being kind and polite. Of course, within each country there are people who fit into either category, but you get the message. Same with black people. People can and do get along just fine, as long as they aren't being brainwashed not to by racists like you (the actual definition, not this reinvented version that conveniently absolves black people of the dreaded "racist" label, no matter what they say or do to white people. Besides, I did experience it in places where blacks had all the power. And now it's "racist" to touch a black person's hair, but not for an innocent white person to get murdered in retaliation for Ferguson or for dating a black woman? BS).

My wife has a lot in common with me, much more than with you. It's why we were friends for a long time before we started dating (our families actually encouraged us to date after noticing our obvious chemistry). It's not her fault for choosing me over someone like you. What does she owe you or anyone else based on her color? Nothing. And never will. But keep driving black women to white men with your racist, possessive mentality. It's really working out great. For white dudes. And when all our beautiful mixed babies fill the earth, as anthropologists predict, you can kiss their high yellow "bastard" a$$es, you sad little fool.

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[–] TwoFourSixOhOne24601 10 years ago

That *beep* description in the dictionary about racism ain't gonna cut it.

I'd feel sorry for you if you weren't so wilfully ignorant. "I won't read the dictionary, I get my definitions from YouTube!" Wow. No wonder the only hope you have of getting a woman is to try to brainwash her into thinking she owes you her loyalty because your shade of brown is closer to hers than a "white" guy's paler shade of brown. If you do find someone gullible enough to believe that, be sure to hide the dictionary, if you ever owned one. She might not only find the real definition of "racist" and realize she's dating one, but she might look up "free will", and realize she has it.
And then "bi-racial", and see a picture of the baby she could make with a white boy. Don't worry. When she leaves you for one, you'll have more time to watch YouTube.

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[–] Gambit771 8 years ago

you DO have a responsibility to right the wrongs

Nope. If he does then you do too for the *beep* black people have done to whites. Barbary slave trade.
And you can try to reinvent the meaning of the word racism to suit your own racist beliefs and fit your narrative but I see through you, obviously, and your meaning will never be valid.

Also Zimbabwe.
Double think and crawl your way out of that one.

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[–] dxben99 (63) 7 years ago

Why would I wanna touch a black person's hair? Seriously, is that a thing? Maybe only in America.. :D

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[–] brux (14840) 7 years ago

Maybe you have no curiosity, or maybe you think a black person's hair is not worth touching, that is, a touch racial.

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[–] dxben99 (63) 7 years ago

Yea I know, I'm full of hate. xD

Srsly, if someone has great hair, he/she has great hair. Asking to touch it, or just doing that, I would consider rude (except when you're close to that person). Not more, not less.

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[–] brux (14840) 7 years ago

I did not say you were full of hate so can that crap.

We think it is amazing when blondes go to Africa, and that Africa kids all want to talk their blonde hair to see what it feels like, so, I'd say, experimentally it is proven that people have an urge to feel people's hair of a color or texture they are unfamiliar with. It's not rude or racist, except within a certain context.

It is context that constantly gets left out of these conversations, but when you listen so poorly and are so defensive I guess a lot goes by you that you miss by trying to be on top and always right, not to mention sarcastic.

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[–] dxben99 (63) 7 years ago

I agree about context and that people tend to leave that out of the discussions, which I think is why I found this discussion so weird. Someone else on here said "wanting to touch our hair is racist". Same person said "Why would a white person want to touch our hair?". I basically agreed with his second sentence and still got a reply that suggested that that notion might also be racist.

Guess that proves your point about context. I was not looking for a fight. My first sentence in the last post was obviously not meant seriously.

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[–] Camara1591 10 years ago

You said you lived in Asia, but you never answered my question: Did you ever try to touch an Asian person's eyes?

June 14, 2013; The Return of the King \S/

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[–] TwoFourSixOhOne24601 10 years ago

After they started touching my hair, I'd often end up touching everything except their eyes. (Who touches eyes?)

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[–] Camara1591 10 years ago

Who touches hair? I've never asked to touch a white person's hair in my life, why the heck do you want to touch mine?

June 14, 2013; The Return of the King \S/

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[–] TwoFourSixOhOne24601 10 years ago

Me neither. I've never touched a random person's hair, lol. But a lot of people do. It's happened to both of us, apparently.

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[–] Camara1591 10 years ago

You said this happened to you outside of America, but white people in America try to touch our hair. It's one thing for a village who has never seen a white person to not believe white features are real, but why would an American want to touch my hair!?

If I tried to touch a white person's hair I eould either get into a fight if it were a male or get arrested for sexual harassment if it was a woman.

It's weird.

June 14, 2013; The Return of the King \S/

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[–] TwoFourSixOhOne24601 10 years ago

It happens to me here, too. Mostly just kids and teens. I can't imagine an adult doing it unless they were flirting, or a weirdo. Most Americans, regardless of race, would react like you described if a random adult, from any race, started touching their hair. Everybody's different, though. Some people come from families and cultures with less enforcement of personal space, and don't mind touching (non-sexually) or being touched by strangers. Weird, but true, and not racist.

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[–] jzcons 9 years ago

Dear 24601: I love your point of view. You have the benefit of being well traveled. I also have traveled to many countries outside the US and it does give you a different and improved perspective of the people of the world.

This movie would be better titled "Dear Ignorant White People of the U.S." I truly don't mean IGNORANT in the negative sense. Their are ignorant people in all cultures, but this movie was specifically addressing a specific thinking that is pervasive in American culture. We need more movies like this, so we can dialogue more about our similarities and differences. I am so tired of people expending their energy on hate and intolerance.

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[–] marjokaye 10 years ago

Twofoursix...actually...I kind of get where you're coming from if I understand you correctly. (Feel free to correct), it sounds like you're saying "racism" is institutionalized. So RACISM is a black person not being able to get housing because of government laws restrictions the race (that's an example) BUT bias (which I call prejudice) would be someone wanting to play in your hair. To be clear, the hair thing IS NOT cool. As one person stated, intentional or not, it alienates the person you're "petting", it isn't a good feeling. The point I think you're missing, however (like a lot of other people), is that the characters had INTERNAL struggles having little to do directly with the environments around them and everything to do with past experiences. Take the biracial girl for example, she identified herself as black because that's what OTHER people identified her as. She felt it was strange her father was white and was ashamed of it because as a child that's what OTHER people taught her, but it followed her into college as an adult and she almost loses a man that really cares for her. This movie has less to do with racism and more to do with the internal struggle of black students than people give it credit for. I mean, seriously, if this were a movie about white students at a HBCU having the same experience it would have won all types of awards, but some people can't get past the skin color.

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[–] harveythepooka 9 years ago

I'm going to but this no non-race related terms. When I was young, maybe 6 years old, we went to Williamsburg and there was a woman in costume in a hoop skirt. It was the most amazing thing I'd ever seen in my life and I asked her about it. She offered to let me see it. My dad was standing there and he asked to see it too. I was only 6, so maybe there was something more adult going on, but IMO it was just curiosity on his part too. But, obviously she refused to show him, but she showed me, I'm a female btw.

I wasn't demeaning, there was no institution about it, I was just curious. I had black roommates for two years in college I have to admit I was very interested in their hair. They had complex rituals and had to do all this crap before they could go to sleep. And they had no problem talking about their hair. I wanted to ask to touch it, because I was honestly curious, but I didn't because I thought it would be rude, like rubbing a pregnant woman's belly. IMO, it's just curiosity and rudeness, for the most part, not anything else. I get not wanting to show off your hoop skirt, or getting your belly rubbed and yes I get not wanting people to ask about your hair. But imo being curious about another race, is the exact opposite of racism. If you want to learn more about something it's because it's something that's interesting.

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[–] marjokaye 9 years ago

If I lived with someone for two years, I may view it as curiosity, but walking into a room and having people touch my hair within 5 minutes is something else. You're looking at it from your pov. Not the pov of the people getting their hair touched. I WAS the person getting my hair touched. I didn't like it.

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[–] davidsmith666999 10 years ago

Why is wanting to touch someone's hair because perhaps you'd like to know the touch or perhaps you find it attractive racist?

I'm bald and I've had many people rub my bald ass head. Big Deal.

This is the PROBLEM with black people, you see and invent the WORST in everything.

Even if someone walked up and just stuck their fingers in your hair without asking, it's be ruder than sin, but not racism.

Of course you believe institutional racism is alive and well, you think touching hair is racist.

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[–] Camara1591 10 years ago

Our hair is synonymous with our race. It isn't your play thing. Your baldness isn't anything to do with your race.

We...do...not...like...people...asking...to...touch...our...hair.

June 14, 2013; The Return of the King \S/

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[–] davidsmith666999 10 years ago

Play thing? I truly feel sorry for the way you think. It has to be a truly sad existence to even think things like that. You see no positive in anything.

BTW do you speak for all black people? I bet some don't really care if people want to touch their hair. There are some cool down to earth black people. The moral majority I believe.

Your right it has nothing to do with my race. But, people want to touch my bald head for the same reason they want to touch your hair. Because it's something they've never touched before. It's like seeing a person with long beautiful hair, you just want to run your fingers through it. Some find it complimentary. Some don't. But, only black people would find it racist.

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[–] Camara1591 10 years ago

Positive? With a white person? No. I don't view much positives there. I'm sorry, but a recent study done said that 53% of all white people in America viewed all to most African Americans as dangerous.

Too many white women act like I have a sign that says "will rape you and or steal from you" on my neck when they see me walking towards them as they clutch their purse or run across the street in a haste.

Too many white men clutch the women they are with's hands when they see me for me to view a positive in an interaction with a random white person.

No, no self-respecting black person wants you to touch their hair.

I've already told the other guy this: never in my life have I gone up to a white person and asked to touch their hair. I don't expect the outcome to be a sure if it is either a man or woman, I might even end up in jail if it was a woman. Why, then, should I let you touch my hair?

Plus, everyone knows people rub bald heads for luck.

June 14, 2013; The Return of the King \S/

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[–] davidsmith666999 10 years ago

Positive? With a white person? That pretty much makes you a racist. But, that's okay, you're not alone.

I was a punk rocker when I was younger, in the 70s - 90s. If I went to a job interview wearing my street clothes I'd still be unemployed. I wore "normal" clothing to interviews and once I was hired and proved myself to my boss I wore whatever I liked.

I've been harassed, yelled at, smacked, and insulted on a daily basis, and never honestly gave a crap because if you got to know me, you'd know I was alright. I might dress strange (and I am stranger than strange) but I was fair to all.

Unfortunately for young black men who do not have money for step up clothes, you will be eyed as someone who might do harm to others. The NY news has a constant stream of store video of owners being robbed, gang shoot outs, videos of people doing that walk up and knock a person out (usually a girl or old person), and a whole host of other criminal activities, and I'm sorry 95% of time it's young black men. So, it's not unusual for the majority of "normal" people to see a young black man and their radar to go up. That's life.

I have a friend who wears his basic work clothes all the time and no one is frightened of him. Black men in suits (he doesn't wear suits) aren't going into a deli and rob them.

It isn't just your skin color, your clothes and attitude play just as big a roll in that. It was always my clothing and attitude that put the normal person on the defensive. I once had a diner put ice under my French toast, they barely cooked my friend's burger, and they gave us cold coffee. Like idiots we didn't eat and still paid. But, we didn't leave a tip.

I'm kind of old now, so I have very little problems. But, if I go out and get dressed up, I still get the insults. Idiots are idiots. You get it from whites, I get it from blacks and whites.

The next time some person asks if they can touch your hair say "Sure, if I can touch yours". See what they say. Personally, I think it would be really strange for a complete stranger in a store or on the street to walk up and ask to touch your hair. I hope it's girls.

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[–] qdude440 9 years ago

LOL, this is one of the stupidest pieces of racist crap you'll ever see on IMDB. Fans of this movie are obviously bigoted SJW retards.

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[–] EmperorOfLatveria 9 years ago

They are probably brain washed by the other SJW's tropes I have seen about rape culture, and all men are rapist - or I should say, all men should be taught not to rape.

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[–] Navaros 10 years ago

Instituional racism is alive and well,

Indeed it is, and this movie is itself one example of that: racism against white people.

Will you condemn this movie's racist depictions of white people, or is that "okay" since they are white?

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[–] orphicdragon 10 years ago

You're full of crap.

I'm bright white with "black" hair. I'm talking 4c buddy. I'm Irish/Spanish/Cuban heritage.

Black folks have ZERO problem petting me like I'm a GD poodle or fluffing my fro. They also RARELY have issue callibg me an oreo or askin if its my Mamma or Daddy thats a "real n***a".

Fortunately nobody has stuck my head in a toilet or kicked me down stairs since I left middle school but you can cut the black folks ain't racist s**t along with whining about your hair tribulations.

Almost all the "nappy headed" hair comments and insults I've heard over my 38 years of "black hair" came from brown folks. Wasn't white people giving me hell so bad I started to relax my hair, that was brown folks too.

Let me enlighten you, if you have any "black features" you may as well be black to anybody who is a racist. The color of your skin doesn't matter because you're obviously a mud baby.

Curiosity isn't racism. If the black community spent less time being hateful catty and judgemental about having "good hair" white folks could ask a genuine question and learn something. Nope, too busy inventing crap to be persecuted with. There is enough real HARMFUL HATEFUL stuff out there. Stop making crap up.

White folks are prone to greasy kinda icky hair. My wife is white, with white hair. She goes a day without washing, its gross as heck. She can just announce that mess standing in line chatting with strangers. "Yes, its very greasy, and when I'm sweaty ugggh".

Me? I go to Walmart at 4am and slink into the ethnic section with a hat on hoping nobody sees me. I'd rather get a pap smear than get my hair cut.

Let's not pretend the hair hate isn't a black thing mmkay? It definitely is. First rule of black hair for a large percentage of us is to avoid having anybody talk about your hair.

Honestly the worst and most common thing I get from white people about my hair is "I thought it would be greasy". Now that I'm older it doesn't bother me so much because my response is always "Naw, it's white hair that gets digusting greasy build up". Which by the way RARELY results in a butt hurt white person.

There's nothing wrong with questions and misunderstandings can be easily cleared up by having the courage and sense to realize calling every frigging thing racist and getting pissed off solves NOTHING.

People thing all kindsa crazy crap about lesbians and mixed races and such. I've been through enough actual violent scary run in's with hateful human garbage that I can accept questions and curiosity with good will and positive attitude. If they don't have a baseball bat or a crowd looking to lynch me, I just suck it up and take the question for the team.

Try it.

This hatred that rains down upon the black community comes from ignorance more often than hate.

Hop down off the cross buddy, they want to know what the deal is, why not tell 'em?

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[–] nilbog44 8 years ago

Lol pathetic. We are tired of your sjw crap. You are a dinosaur. Enough with the nonsense

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[–] Jamy_Kayleigh 10 years ago

The hair touching is racism and is a form of microaggression, because while it may seem like a minor, trivial thing, it's not: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microaggression_theory

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[–] monstermayhem32 10 years ago

I would have never thought thr hair touching was racism.

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[–] TwoFourSixOhWon 10 years ago

Because it's not. Some people are just really desperate to feel oppressed. It's human nature to be curious about anything different about someone else. The few weird white people who go around touching black people's heads aren't doing it with any malice or intent to degrade, just like all the non-white people around the world who've done that to me. Weird, awkward, disrespectful of personal space? Yes. Racist? No. Don't devalue real instances of racism by applying the word to every interesting interracial interaction you might encounter.

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[–] blackalaureate 10 years ago

Some people are just really desperate to feel oppressed.

no person wants to "feel oppressed."

it's actually not a good feeling.

"Please disabuse yourself of the notion that my purpose on earth is to tuck ignorance in at night."

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[–] EmperorOfLatveria 9 years ago

The oppression Olympics are alive and well. Real oppression is a terrible feeling. But it is stuff like this that has downgraded it so much. And that downgraded form is utterly sought after. It gives them status. In many social circles, having some disability, or some other thing against you that can be used to denigrate something is a badge of honor, and shows that you are entitled to something.

I can show you other people online that demonstrate this full force if you like, but I imagine you already have a picture of someone in your mind when you read that.

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[–] b73142 10 years ago

Hmm I'm going to have to disagree with you about the hair thing. Sometimes it is because people are curious on how hair feels and some(and I've experienced this) whites compare black hair to pubic hair. The 2nd one is definitely racist. The hair thing does happen. It's happened to me and others that I know.

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[–] matt_williams_12 10 years ago

I wouldn't expect anyone who isn't a minority to understand any aspects of this movie. I wouldn't understand anyone who isn't black to understand most aspects of this movie. There are many elements about it that would take time to explain, and that's before going into the history of why those things are significant in the black community.

The hair, for instance, is annoying because it makes us feel like foreigners and that we don't belong here. It's just so different to them, and it makes us feel different. Plus, there's relating to our nation's history in which black features were made to be negative. Darker skin, kinkier hair, bigger lips, a wider nose, etc. were all quite opposite of the society's Euro-centric foundation. So, when someone wants to touch it, we feel like we're pets, there for someone's amusement. This may not be the case, but we can't read minds. Plus, do you have any idea what having curly hair is like? No matter what your race, if you brush curly hair, it's going to frizz. And the curlier it is, the worse it is. No matter how it's styled, it often takes a lot of effort to style and maintain. Black people are not having it.

There's just so much more to it. I'd love to break everything down, but who has the time?

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[–] darthleather2011 10 years ago

I think the central message of this movie is that all life on this planet is travesty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z55W6ihUY-c
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[–] Navaros 10 years ago

So, what was the point of this movie?

The point of this movie, according to this movie, is: "white people are stupid and bad." I don't agree with that "point," but that's what it is trying to say. That "point" is even evident in this movie's condescending title itself.

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[–] jane_bront 10 years ago

The point of this movie, according to this movie, is: "white people are stupid and bad."

I disagree. The movie was about the how and why of the different characters' identities and asks the audience to consider their own.

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[–] RustyShacklefordd 9 years ago

I agree. The social commentary here wasn't anything all that insightful and offered nothing we haven't seen done before and better in other films of it's kind.

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