Browns Trade:
2nd Round Pick 2014
2nd Round Pick 2015
2nd Round Pick 2016
Browns Get:
- Player at #1 overall whom they could have had at #15 which would have saved roughly $12 million.
- Kick off/Punt returner
And he's supposed to be a good GM? This is a horrible deal.
But he basically gave up three # 2s
For two picks in the top ten
Not to shabby
It wasn't terrible, but it wasn't great.
Gave up 3 second round picks for the #7 pick and punt returner.
Here's where he messed up, trading up for the #1, then using it on a guy who would've gone at 15th at best. What he should've done is taking the #7, traded down for the 12th or 13th overall, a future 1st round pick, and the current 2nd round. Then he'd have,
This year
#13 overall
#39 overall
#45 overall
2 #1's next year
#2 next year
#1 and #2 two years from now.
Then he could've packaged a 2015 #1, and the #39 and #45 overall pick for a pick to get the running back around #9 or #10 this year. Then he'd still have future draft picks, and the cap space would be greater to.
That said, I don't think any team is trading the #6 draft pick when you need a QB and a heisman winner is on the table for 3 #2s.
No GM on the planet would take a player at #1 he knowingly could get around 12-15. That's what makes it a horrible deal, and completely ridiculous. Especially when a player like Bo Ryan is hyped up to be is on the board.
shareThe worst part of this movie is the fact that at the end Costner is hailed as a great GM would just pulled off the draft of a lifetime.
Just think, what would have happened if Bo hadn't fallen and Costner wasn't able to get his picks back? He traded up from #7 to #1 and drafted a player who would have been there at #7. THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE!!! He would have been fired on the spot and never given a GM job again.
But he basically gave up three # 2s
For two picks in the top ten
Not to shabby
He already had the #7 pick before he made any trades. So in the end he traded three 2nd round picks for the #1 overall pick and a special teams guy. And with that #1 pick he drafted a player he could have had 14 picks later. That pick would have cost a lot less than three 2nd round picks, and you wouldn't have to pay the player as much.
shareHe also got that running back with a 1st round pick, right? So with the #1 pick he got the guy he would've originally taken #7, so that's a wash except he will have to pay him as the #1 pick. At the #7 he eventually got, he got a running back he wanted. He got a kick returner. He gave up 3 #2 picks. He got back the other #1 picks they had given up before the draft.
So, from before the trade for the #1 pick, he got the drafted running back and the returner for 3 #2s. Not bad, not great.
Without knowing who else was in this draft class These were good moves.
I'm going to assume the rb is the best In The draft class.
they also landed the linebacker? Whatever position.
Were the trades stupid? Yes but the end result he came out on top all around.
They didn't need a qb got their running back and their linebacker. Originally they would've only gotten one of them not both. All it cost him was 3 #2s. Say they went with their original plan and got their rb there would be no guarantee of landing the linebacker what if a team didn't want to deal him
He got lucky as sh!t that Callahan fell to #6. Had Bo not fallen, he just traded 3! 1st round picks for a player that would have been there with his original pick. Hell he could have traded down and still got the guy he took at #1. That is beyond retarded.
shareSaw a little bit of this on HBO the other day, came back to re-read my post, and then I realized I left something out...
What if Seattle said no to the last trade?
Again, any real life GM would have been fired on the spot for making those trades.
You're right in more of a literal sense, but you're removing all the context in the movie. You might as well ask why Dutch agreed to go on a mission to get his team killed by an alien predator or why Apollo Creed would agree to fight an unknown boxer in a lose/lose situation.
Molina told Weaver to "make a splash" (and whatever that entails) and I'll take some liberties with the story that with all that was going on with Sonny and Ali, he wasn't focused especially this all started with a phone call while he drove to the facilities. So the Seattle trade becomes the "inciting incident" that sparks the action that happens till the end of the movie. Without that initial bad trade, there is no story.
Picking Mack at #1 by the sheer numbers was bad, but at the same time it told a different story. Picking him number 1 was about what Sonny saw in him as a player (so essentially, a plot device) compared to what he saw in Callahan (refer to the Montana/Candy story). Looking at reality for a second, end of the day, no one cares where you were picked or the deal you signed if you're great (and let's presume Vontae Mack would be the next Lawrence Taylor). It's rare that any team with an All-Pro player 4 or 5 years into his career is constantly scrutinized over where he was taken UNLESS he was chosen late or undrafted (example: Tom Brady).
All this said, in the context of the movie, Sonny Weaver jr would not have been fired by the Browns' owner because, as he stated explicitly at the end: Molina asked him to make a splash and he did. Besides, everything you're saying is moot since we're talking about a scripted drama where we know ALL the important behind-the-scenes conversations and not just what happened at the podium of the 2015 NFL draft.
Yes - you're getting the element others seem to be ignoring.
The trade to get the #1 pick was a mistake - driven by the owner, and Sonny's weakness in capitulating him - and his "victory" was that he had the courage to put his own skills and smarts in play to recover from it.
The last-minute dealing towards the end was a bit crazy, but they made it fast enough we didn't really have a chance to think about it in the moment. As noted by the others, a lot depended on the Jacksonville GM acting foolishly - but they did a reasonable job of motivating/explaining that in the movie (the GM was new, naïve, scared of looking dumb and apparently really, really bad at acting under pressure). The scared of looking dumb part plays into a fundamental theme of the movie, which (essentially) was that you're better off following whatever seems the right course fearlessly, rather than worrying about how others will judge you.
The real idiot is the Jaguars GM, who traded the #6 pick for 3 2nd round picks, and then saw that pick get flipped for 3 1st round picks. The owner of Jaguars probably called him and asked why he wasn't on the phone with Seattle getting 3 1st rounders from them vs, trading the 2nd rounders to Sonny, and then seeing him make that deal.
Jeff Carson probably got fired the next day.