Spoilers....
Im reading Daniel claims he stangled Hanna. Did he properly strangle her to death or just choke her? I'm at the start of S2 and want the spoilers before binging S3 and watching S4. How did he strangle her bUT say his confession was coerced?
Daniel never hurt that poor girl. The coerced confession, while still tripping on acid, and all those years in solitary, got him so twisted around inside he's not entirely sure of that anymore himself. But we, the audience, have a little more information. It's clear if you pay attention that he did nothing of the kind.
"But... what about the relevant conundrum?"
Mushrooms not acid, id imagine if he was on acid the night would have gone very differently,
Mushrooms are so much more horrific if taken in the wrong set and setting,
despite what society thinks of acid,
Being interogated on a psychedellic is one of the most abusive things,
the suggestibility of mind is increased by 10 thousand, so much to the point he could probably vividly see himself killing Hannah
Oh right, shrooms, I stand corrected. And you're also right the suggestibility is far greater with those. What an absolute horror.
"But... what about the relevant conundrum?"
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Daniel DID NOT KILL Hanna. It's quite obvious that Tre did the rape and killed her, as well as killing George. Any1 who says otherwise is just a trolling troll.
shareGeorge committed suicide though.
shareSo we're all confused right?
shareNo. We've been given the answers.
"You're right. I do do that. And I blame you for never thanking me for it."
It's all very murky, on purpose of course. I can't be sure of anything at this point. I'm not even sure if Daniel said he was coerced or if that came from his attorney, but listening to his first confession at the beginning of 'Jacob's Ladder' he sounds very calm, not high, just Daniel. He's also being questioned rather gently, not coerced. Annoyingly it doesn't cover the actual killing but picks up right after.
What did you do after you strangled her?
I went and got some flowers.
Some flowers.
Wildflowers. Jacob's Ladder
Come again?
It's a wildflower
And then what did you do?
I put the flowers in her hair.
Was she naked?
Yes she was naked.
And how did she get unclothed?
I had to take her clothes off.
Before.
Before?
Yes, before. You took her clothes off before.
Before I raped her.
What did you do then, Daniel?
I sat with her.
You sat with her.
Yes, I sat with her and held her hand.
Why'd you hold her hand, son?
Didn't seem right to leave her alone.
Why not?
She seemed so real.
What do you mean 'real'?
Alive.
He's also being questioned rather gently, not coerced.
That's from the confession itself, after coercion to obtain it had been successfully carried out. Of course Sheriff Pickens could afford to go rather gently at that point.
The issue of coercion is in how a confession is obtained, because if it's coerced then there's high risk that it will be what the interrogator wanted to hear, rather than truthful testimony.
Ep. 104, Plato's Cave:
JONFrom that last hour, on the tape of Daniel's original testimony, heard in Ep 208, The Great Destroyer:
He was in there for 11 hours,
without a lawyer, and only
the last hour was recorded.
DANIELFrom Sheriff Daggett's interview with former Sheriff CJ Pickens earlier in the episode:
She wanted to see what it
was like.
SHERIFF PICKENS
You mean sex?
DANIEL
Mushrooms.
SHERIFF PICKENS
You gave a 16-year-old girl
psychoactive drugs. And
why would you do that?
DANIEL
I shouldn't have.
SHERIFF PICKENS
The sex wasn't consensual,
was it, Daniel?
DANIEL
I left.
SHERIFF PICKENS
After the sex, you mean.
DANIEL
No... I don't know when.
There were others.
SHERIFF PICKENS
You mean with her? Doing
things with her? How did you
know there were others?
DANIEL
I saw them.
SHERIFF PICKENS
Daniel, you know what happened.
She was pretty beat up down
there. Wounds like that, a young
man has to be angry. You get
angry a lot, Daniel. Lose your
temper. You got in a fight with
her, didn't you?
DANIEL
I told you, I don't remember!
SHERIFF PICKENS
Look at these photos again.
DANIEL
I don't want to.
SHERIFF PICKENS
Look at 'em.
DANIEL
I gathered some flowers.
SHERIFF PICKENS
You already said that, I want you
to look at that poor girl's neck,
what does that look like to you?
DANIEL
Somebody hurt her.
SHERIFF PICKENS
You were with her. We got
eyewitnesses, son.
DANIEL
I was with her, but I left.
SHERIFF PICKENS
Where'd you go?
DANIEL
Wandering.
SHERIFF PICKENS
Can anybody verifiy that?
DANIEL
(crying)
He said I could see my father.
SHERIFF PICKENS
And you will. Soon as you come
clean. Unburden yourself, son.
You put your hands around her
neck... You squeezed, and
squeezed, and squeezed.
CJ PICKENSFrom Ep. 210, Unhinged:
Roland was convinced,
eventually. I became
convinced too.
SHERIFF DAGGETT
But not initially.
CJ PICKENS
There were some
conflicting stories. At first,
with the kids and all.
SHERIFF DAGGETT
What stories?
CJ PICKENS
Holden put an end to that.
SHERIFF DAGGETT
By confessing.
CJ PICKENS
By confessing.
SHERIFF DAGGETT
What happened in that
interrogation room, CJ?
CJ PICKENS
You don't get the truth too
easily Carl, you know that.
So, we put pressure on him.
He seemed like... a boy who
was lying, saying he couldn't
remember things, saying he
didn't recall. Said that he was
with the girl, for a while. And
we would press him for details.
SHERIFF DAGGETT
He ever ask for a lawyer?
CJ PICKENS
Not that I recall. Anyway,
we kept talking to him. And
eventually he started coming
around.
SHERIFF DAGGETT
To a confession.
CJ PICKENS
Yeah.
SHERIFF DAGGETT
And now, do you think it might
have been forced, or coerced?
CJ PICKENS
Didn't think there was such a
thing back then. Now... I'm not
certain. Either way. But can I see
how that might have happened...
(he nods)
In hindsight.
DANIELFrom Ep. 209, Until You're Blue:
Oh, I must've been... I must've
been thinking about the sheriff.
The former sheriff. How he
explained how she died when
the tape recorder was off. Told
me how I had taken her clothes
off and raped her. And all the
while, me just sitting there
waiting for my father because
you promised me that I would
get to see him once I just gave
you the truth. You promised me
that I could go home. But I didn't
go home. And I didn't rape her,
did I? You were wrong. Are you
at all surprised?
BENJI MELTONFrom Ep. 210, Unhinged:
I was there on that bench all
morning waiting to see George.
DAGGETT
Did you see Senator Foulkes there?
BENJI MELTON
Of course I did. He was moving in
and out of those rooms. God knows
what was going on. They never even
called Lester Holden at all. Saying
Daniel's 18, didn't need his daddy.
Didn't need a lawyer either, I guess.
DAGGETT
George ever tell you what happened
in those rooms?
BENJI MELTON
He wasn't ever the same. Well, the
way he is now.
DANIEL
Then the sheriff came, and you...
you were there in the room. And
you asked me what happened.
SENATOR FOULKES
You said you didn't remember.
DANIEL
Well, at first, I didn't. But then you
kept showing me these pictures,
trying to explain. But it still didn't
make any sense. I was numb. I'd
been in that room for hours. So I
just said what I needed to say.
To get out, to see my father.
And you let me say it.
Trey most likely murdered Hanna. I'd be shocked if it was actually Daniel.
We can say for sure that he did not rape her.