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Thoughts on the penultimate episode?


I don't know. I liked it but I wasn't overwhelmed. I guess it's good things are wrapping up in a semi-positive way but the mood overall is still somber. What stuck out to me:

--Teddy and Tawney's scene was sweet. Both have grown exponentially. It's clear both love each other. I wouldn't even put it out of possibility that they reconcile somewhere down the line, under different circumstances in which both are more self-actualized, have followed their own paths and are more confident in themselves. Maybe not, but the fact that they are cordial and still care about each other was promising. An aside, they both looked so different from just a year or so ago! Looks like the actress playing Tawney may be pregnant and Clayne's new hairdo and even his face age him (not in a bad way. He looked more like Riggs from his new show though lol.)

--Janet and Ted. I think it's clear from their final scene in the episode that Ted and Janet will make it. Thankfully. I like them as a couple a lot. They both needed something from the other when they met (stability) and they need different things now, but they seem to be able and willing to provide it. Janet in particular will probably be a better partner now that she has begun the task of liberating herself from her past.

--Amantha's long lost best friend popping up out of nowhere seemed a bit contrived, but not to the point I couldn't go with it. It's clear between Jenny and Billy, Amantha is laying roots in Paulie. Kind-of anticlimactic from a writing perspective but not too disappointing. I wish they'd show her interacting with Billy again. Just so the viewers can know for sure that Jon is really out of the picture. I think he is, but I'm not 100% sure. Interestingly in the marathon running one day, I saw on an old episode that Jon told Daniel that his case was more important to him than his relationship with Amantha. Maybe that was foreshadowing that the union would not be permanent? Seems likely given the entrance of Billy. 

--I think the show could have used another season. I didn't think so at first, but now that there's only one epsidoe left, it seems there is just so much open-ended. I want to see Amantha and Daniel reconnect. I want to see how Teddy and Tawney end up in their new paths. I want to see the new dynamic between Janet and Ted. I want to see Jared be more visible now that his family is not under the cloud. I want to see how Daniel lives after he is exonerated. (Does he sue?) So many unanswered questions and only one episode to answer them. Doesn't seem doable. I just hope the writers don't disappoint this last episode. The show deserves a final episode worthy of its stellar four seasons. *Crossing fingers*

Your thoughts on the episode?

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I was underwhelmed. For instance, I waited for a scene between Bobby and Amantha where he apologizes. It finally came, and it was not what I thought it would be. I don't know what I expected or even what I wanted, but I did not feel the emotions of this scene like I normally do.

It might be because Bobby is not a fully realized character. What he did to Daniel was horrendous, but he genuinely thought Daniel murdered his sister, strangled her to death after she had been gang raped. That is horrific and even more so for a child who had no one after that but his unhinged mother. If Amantha is laying roots in Paulie, and it is clear that she is, I would think that would start with him. Amantha reconnecting with her long lost friend seemed less important than Amantha and Bobby making peace, at least to me. They were the same age when their lives were almost ruined; both of their siblings were victimized in the most heinous ways.

Bobby should face consequences for the unspeakable violence he committed against a presumably innocent man, but if there were a slogan for this show, it should be that "life is not fair." Daniel went to prison for rape and murder when he presumably committed neither crime against his best friend. Even without the death penalty, there is still false conviction and imprisonment and the torment he had to endure as a result.

Meanwhile, the "rape crew" got to, well, live their lives. Sure, Melton was weighed down by guilt, but as Nelms admitted, he was mostly relieved that Daniel took the fall for their crime.

I agree that this show could actually use another season. I just don't feel it will be wrapped up to satisfaction. It hasn't been thus far.

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What he did to Daniel was horrendous, but he genuinely thought Daniel murdered his sister

It's even worse, because from the Bobby/Teddy tête-à-tête in the Holden's kitchen, Bobby revealed that he decided to assault Daniel even though he'd known for 20 years of George's statement "Trey went back." So all that time he'd obviously dismissed this huge piece of information as irrelevant.

In other words, like the Senator, Bobby already had in his sights the official scapegoat, so why bother himself with inconvenient thoughts and questions? He needed to vent his rage on the perp, NOW. Don't think, don't question, just nail the guy.

I assume that the point Bobby started to reconsider George's words and take them seriously was Daniel's unexpected gesture of forgiveness, leading to his release from jail. From then on, "Trey went back" became too big an elephant in the room of his mind to ignore.

That would not be an easy burden to carry forward. The actor's doing a great job through facial expression and body language of conveying that load.

Bobby Dean is probably doomed. More collateral damage from that 11 hours in the Sheriff's department, recalling Benji Melton's haunting words to Daggett about the Senator "moving in and out of those rooms."


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Didn't George tell Bobby that when he was a child and wasn't Bobby actually convinced that Daniel murdered his sister? I don't hold that against him. He is not a politician or a detective and at that age, it's reasonable that he did not think much of it at the time. George was his friend, or at least he thought he was, and the adults in his life were convinced that Daniel was guilty. Or perhaps not convinced but believably so to a 12-year-old. After George told him that when he was 12, he did not think "Daniel must be innocent!" He was confused and upset that he had lost a friend. From his conversation, it seems he began to critically think about things George said to him as a child after what happened to George or something else since Daniel's release. I can see how it would cause him doubt about Daniel's guilt as a child, but in my opinion, it would just be doubt and not enough to definitively say that Daniel is innocent. What George said in combination with what has happened after Daniel's release is what makes it clear that he is innocent. As you said, I don't think he thought about it or even considered it until Daniel forgave him for nearly killing him.

In my opinion, it's understandable why Bobby was so angry as an adult and why he genuinely believed that Daniel murdered his sister for most of his life. It's not like the Senator or the detective who were consciously deciding to ignore crucial evidence in order to further their agendas.

Nevertheless, Bobby did a heinous thing. He almost killed Daniel and in a perfect world, there would be consequence for it. There will most likely be none except for his guilt over hurting Daniel. It seems there will not be much on him after tonight's episode. I guess him apologizing to Amantha was "closure" for that storyline.

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It's not like the Senator or the detective who were consciously deciding to ignore crucial evidence in order to further their agendas.

I think it becomes similar once Bobby grows beyond childhood. As he grew older he didn't forget those words, said in answer to the most important question he'd ever asked, about "what changed," why his "only friend" was suddenly abandoning him. Yet, despite not forgetting them, even when older, even with plenty of time to reflect on them, Bobby didn't do so because he was convinced they'd "got their man." He was so emotionally invested in that outcome that despite having what amounts to the key to Daniel's innocence, it didn't enter his consciousness.

I understand Bobby, and empathize with him. I also think his assault, horrible as it was, has an added tragedy to it - for Bobby, in the long-term - because he possessed information that, had he actually digested it without emotional interference, would have likely prevented him taking that action.

I do think this is a similar pattern to Foulkes and CJ in their official capacities, who knew about potentially conflicting information, and suppressed it. You can suppress truth for a number of reasons, some completely understandable and deserving of compassion. And still, the end result of that suppression only intensifies the tragedy.


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I think it becomes similar once Bobby grows beyond childhood. As he grew older he didn't forget those words, said in answer to the most important question he'd ever asked, about "what changed," why his "only friend" was suddenly abandoning him. Yet, despite not forgetting them, even when older, even with plenty of time to reflect on them, Bobby didn't do so because he was convinced they'd "got their man." He was so emotionally invested in that outcome that despite having what amounts to the key to Daniel's innocence, it didn't enter his consciousness.


I mostly agree, but I would still not compare him to the Senator even in adulthood. Many circumstances do make it different.

I understand Bobby, and empathize with him. I also think his assault, horrible as it was, has an added tragedy to it - for Bobby, in the long-term - because he possessed information that, had he actually digested it without emotional interference, would have likely prevented him taking that action.

I do think this is a similar pattern to Foulkes and CJ in their official capacities, who knew about potentially conflicting information, and suppressed it. You can suppress truth for a number of reasons, some completely understandable and deserving of compassion. And still, the end result of that suppression only intensifies the tragedy.


But is it not their job to critically look at evidence and bring forth all evidence pertaining to a case? Is this not what they are trained to do? Is it not against what their job entails to withhold evidence and coerce false confessions? Were they not adults in positions of authority?

I can see the comparison, but it is shallow. George pretended to be Bobby's friend when Bobby was a child. When George left Bobby, Bobby was confused and sad that he had lost a friend. What George said did not resonate with him nor did it particularly mean anything to him at the time. Going through childhood, adults had convinced him that Daniel murdered his sister. It makes sense that this would carry into adulthood. Bobby never even recalled what George said until he had committed a horrible crime against Daniel.

For me, there is a difference between an officer withholding evidence in a case and a boy, who lost his sister to gang rape and murder, going through childhood believing a man murdered his sister and it never occurring to him that the man could be innocent until after he brutally assaulted the man. What he did was heinous, and he will carry the guilt and remorse, but I don't see the suppression as the same.

Keep in mind that what George said to Bobby when he was 12 is only key because the officers withheld evidence when they were investigating the crime in the first place and did not properly investigate due to bias.

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I didn't say the suppression was the same. I said that it was similar. I chose the word similar so as not to imply sameness. I said that no matter the context of the suppression, the result is to increase tragedy.

I haven't said it didn't "make sense" that Bobby would carry this belief into adulthood. I said it was understandable, and that I empathize.

"Trey went back" - Bobby remembered those words all his life. Their meaning is clear as day. There's no ambiguity. He had 20 years to reflect on them. Is it not the responsibility of any able-minded adult, regardless of official capacity, to look at evidence, even if it's inconvenient?

"Trey went back" implies that Trey is the perp, and nothing law enforcement did prevents coming to that realization.


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I thought Bobby did not recall what George said until after he had brutally assaulted Daniel? I also thought those words did not mean much to Bobby when he was a child, other than to confuse him. So I am not sure why he would reflect on them when they seemed to be of no consequence for most of his life. I also imagine the day George left him is not something he wanted to think about since it was a painful memory for him.

As an adult, I would not take those words to mean that Trey went back and murdered Hanna beyond a reasonable doubt. It certainly would be enough for me to suspect that he is the culprit, and I would use it as incentive to further investigate Trey because a witness claims he saw him go back when he asserted that he did not. Once I found evidence to corroborate my theory that he murdered her, I would call George to the stand and have him testify. That is what I would do as a law official looking into this crime. I don't know how I would react or what I would do as a the sibling of one who has been murdered or gang raped.

Is it not the responsibility of any able-minded adult, regardless of official capacity, to look at evidence, even if it's inconvenient?


I suppose, but people suppress many memories for a multitude of reasons, especially when it comes to violent crime. Their memories also become repressed due to trauma. When it comes to crime, many people do not reflect on it. There could be evidence within those memories, but it often does not occur to them and they do not care to reflect on it for valid reasons.

I don't see a person who has, by extension, also been victimized to be comparable to law enforcement actively withholding evidence while investigating the crime. I also think investigating a crime is not at all similar to a person suppressing memories from childhood, even if the memories contain evidence.

I am not excusing Bobby of his horrible crime against Daniel. I am objecting to the assertion that Bobby is like the Senator because he suppressed a memory from childhood.

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I don't know. It is true that with suppression, people tend to misremember things or those memories become distorted over time. It's true even when a person is not trying to suppress a memory. Memory is more often than not unreliable. However, I am not arguing that in the case of Bobby.

I only know that I have personally experienced a number of people who had suppressed pertinent memories, especially if they are from their childhood. It's a number of things they just care not to think or talk about.

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Anyway, you are right, Whatlarks. I just find it hard to understand the comparison because I not only empathize with Bobby but feel sympathy for him. I neither empathize nor sympathize with the Senator. That's why the comparison comes off as an affront to me.

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Perhaps it will end Sopranos-style. (Which I actually loved.)

But seriously, I hope it will end Six Feet Under-style, where we find out what happened to them, if not over the years, then at least in the near future.

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Looks like the actress playing Tawney may be pregnant



I noticed that in the last episode. It's as much the way she walks as those loose fitting scrubs.

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Teddy and Tawney scene was 'sweat' because they were happy for it to be over. The party is over with that one. Teddy is back on the circuit.

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She didn't even realize Teddy was walking with a limp.



No. She didn't comment on it; there's a difference. No one commented on it, except or a neighbor who couldn't know what happened. Obviously everyone else did know and just didn't mention it.

The big scene in which Teddy shoots himself in the leg, and it's ignored in the next episode. Why? Are we to assume it was a lesson to Teddy, that he Learned Something From It? Or it was not important, after all, so no need to mention it. What was its purpose? Or was there no purpose, just a dramatically comical event?

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I'm saying she already knew it. It happened some time ago, everyone knew, and so no one mentioned it.

Only the neighbor, who didn't know.

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I'm saying she already knew it. It happened some time ago, everyone knew, and so no one mentioned it.

Only the neighbor, who didn't know.

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The big scene in which Teddy shoots himself in the leg, and it's ignored in the next episode. Why?

It's not ignored at all. The wound encumbers the character and makes his abjection obvious. Teddy has been brought to humility, and as now literally the walking wounded he has no way to escape his shame - except with those who don't know what happened, like the neighbor.

His family don't comment because they feel compassion, are uncomfortable themselves, etc. Whether one judges it right or wrong, it's not hard to understand this response.

To follow up on his injury in any way other than by frank avoidance of it would diminish the impact of his situation. It would be inferior writing.


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The big scene in which Teddy shoots himself in the leg, and it's ignored in the next episode. Why? Are we to assume it was a lesson to Teddy, that he Learned Something From It? Or it was not important, after all, so no need to mention it. What was its purpose? Or was there no purpose, just a dramatically comical event?
I agree a mention or something would have been better. It was a big deal.


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Consider the nature of this family. They are not given to mentioning the big deal.

I think the problem with the "leg mention" issue is that McKinnon didn't make more of the not mentioning.

To avoid mentioning something creates tension. That is why there is tension when the neighbor, not the family, yells across the street asking how Teddy got the limp. It's far more mortifying to have that happen when those closest to you avoid mentioning it.

Teddy's cringe moment there would be far less if family had already commented. If they had, then by the time the neighbor spoke up, Teddy would have nothing to lose. He might as well have said "I got drunk and shot myself in the damn leg."

It would have been stronger to have all sorts of people notice, and choose not to mention, and you think Teddy's going to be spared, and then you pull the neighbor, unexpectedly. Whammo.

Ah well. Armchair writing: it's easy to do.


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It reminded me of waiting until the last minute to do Christmas shopping, then rushing out only to find Thrifty Town open and buying presents there. Who ARE these people?


Daniel has ONE therapy session and seems 100% better. Why bother packing up Chloe? We all know she's not going anywhere and wants Daniel whom she's known a couple of weeks to father her baby. Btw Chloe, it's Harry 'Nilsson' as in Schmilsson, not 'Nielson', but that's a minor nitpick.

Janet and Big Ted touch for the first time, in the bath no less. Janet actually acknowledges a neighbor! The Talbot garage is clean, so perhaps Hoarders made them a special project.

Teddy still has a slight limp, but he and Tawney chat with the easy camaraderie of a long d-i-v-o-r-c-e-d couple who like each others company. Did they quit Rebecca and go to Daniel's doctor?

Bobby Dean does the decent thing and apologizes to...Amantha?

Amantha's old bestie drops by and they hug it out.


Ending last season with nothing resolved would have been preferable to me, but I haven't had my coffee yet. New screenshots will be up later.

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Now you are obsessed with who qualifies as a redneck. 

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Ha ha! Nilsson Schmilsson. I noticed that too. Why didn't the director of the episode?

Hoarders - Love it!

I hate dollar stores. I hate the ugly green polo Amantha has to wear as a manager in training. I hate that she is being wasted in Podunk, Georgia.

Ted's and Janet's quiet intimacy in the bath was lovely.

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The cover of Jimmy Cliff's "Many Rivers to Cross" is from the Pussy Cats album (1974). It was produced by John Lennon during his "lost weekend" in the summer of '74. Nilsson ruptured a vocal chord during the recording sessions, but kept this from Lennon, not wishing to lose the chance to work with his very talented drinking buddy. While the album is far from Nilsson's best work, the song was a good choice. Daniel has many rivers to cross, yet the deposition suggests that his considerable burden may soon be lighter. Chloe, of course, has her own heavy lifting to do.

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Daniel has ONE therapy session and seems 100% better.


So true. He could have done this back in Season One and saved everyone a lot of angst.

It's obvious Season 4 is Wrap Up Season.

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Honestly, I have no words for just how disappointed I am with this whole season. It feels like Rectify stripped of all of its Rectify-ness. It's like watching a glimpse into an alternate universe in which the show had been picked up by a major network.

Aside from the actors giving the same soulful performances as before, everything about the show now has this slick, mainstream sort of sheen to it. It's been stripped of all of its indie artiness and most of the raw emotional honestly. The music's the biggest offender on this front. I really can't imagine the shaky cams shots of S1, or something like The Goat Man appearing on the show now.

It's almost like McKinnon decided to end the show on last season's finale, and he's now just pushing through on contractual obligation.

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I kind-of agree. As hard as it is to believe for a show as "slow" as this one, it feels almost like the last season is being rushed lol. It's like the writing for the other seasons was written as if time was no issue, as if the writers had all the time in the world to flesh out the characters and the story. Now, they are writing in whiplash form in comparison to previous seasons as if they miscalculated just how much they had to wrap up. It does feel like a wrap-up season.

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One of the qualities I liked about the series is that the characters acted as if they are their own protagonists in their own stories with their own agendas. In inferior drama, the protagonist is surrounded by characters who seem to exist as custom-made for him/her - it's so obvious that this character is designed to bring out X quality, and this designed to bring out Y. This happens even though these literally "supporting" characters' agendas may oppose him/her - the nature of the conflict is just part of the schematic narrative.

You can always tell when a creator has made their protagonist like the sun, so that all other characters have neatly defined orbits within their gravity. In Rectify, the supporting characters have tended to use the protagonist for their own agendas. Even, and perhaps especially, in the name of "supporting" him.

When Chloe was introduced, I was worried about the trope of the "magic female" who heals the man, especially one who is an artist. So I liked when McKinnon had her say "I can't save you, Daniel." And I liked the conflict that arose in the previous episode when she encouraged him to seek counseling. But as a character in general I've found her edges too rounded; there is little sharpness to her. Tawney, of all people, now has more of an independent will. Chloe from the first scene in the warehouse has seemed like a counseling-character.

The thing is, she does have a need for someone like Daniel, she does have reason to use him for her own agenda. And she does use him, but I think that not enough has been made of it. She would be less rounded, less custom-made, if what she needed from him were harder to get. She seems satisfied with his company; evidently he gives her what she needs without much trouble. And that can't be, because what you can get without much trouble means no sacrifice on anyone's part.

A major part of why Chloe is too custom-made for Daniel is the fact that Daniel is too custom-made for her. He impresses her with his intelligence and sensitivity at their first meeting, and that seems to be enough. But these qualities can't be only what she needs. They're not specific enough. Imagine a little deeper why she would so quickly become intimate with a man like him. Is it not the case that his limitations, in combination with his intelligence and sensitivity, are attractive to her? The fact that he can't go anywhere easily? That he has a lowly status and is easily grateful for the smallest gifts?

In other words, Daniel isn't demanding, because he can't be. "I can't save you, Daniel" - it seems to me that these wise words also hint at what Chloe wants: no serious obligations. It also seems to me that their conflict in the previous episode had to do with Daniel implying an obligation - the idea that you can't knowingly develop an intimacy with me and then disappear.

Daniel is naive, for obvious and justifiable reasons, but Chloe is not. Daniel stepped into this relationship naively; he has less experience protecting himself, less ability to think ahead. But Chloe has no such excuse. She tells him she never thought of the future until the baby, and there is the flaw. She chose not to think of the future, but for her that has been a luxury; Daniel, on the other hand, has had to do that to survive.

I think Chloe has all the makings of a fascinating character, one who is not primarily an emotional service station for Daniel. Her flaw, the quality that could make her sharper, and cause more sparks, and demand more sacrifices, and make their relationship something really worth fighting for, is right there, available for use. Seven episodes (one absent Chloe and Daniel) is enough to structure a fulfilling arc for these two. In my view, because that flaw hasn't been exploited, their relationship hasn't been put to the test, and as a result, a few bumps excepted, the couple has been mostly coasting. Their relationship hasn't provoked any serious concern in me for them as a pair, or as individuals.


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That's an interesting analysis of Chloe's motivations - that she's more of a user than helper. It makes you wonder what her baby's father is like and why she 'ran him off' because she may very well be an unreliable narrator. It could be that he's the exact opposite of the deadbeat she implies, but instead a person who would take the situation seriously, force her to grow up and form a committed family.

I also keep groaning at this TV trope of single or purposefully single mothers not letting the fathers know that the child exists. What about child support, people?? Also, the nuclear family model for child-raising is well and truly dead as a social norm. We're living in the age of co-parenting. I wish that TV writers could join us here in the 21st century.

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I had cut Chloe some slack about the guy and child support because she seems pretty sure he's a lost cause, and I included in that the likelihood he'd be a total deadbeat anyway when it came to support.

But I think I was mistaken to do that. I really like the trope you mentioned because it could be used to advantage. If the guy isn't necessarily the deadbeat Chloe made him out to be, then your scenario applies: she ran him off because he'd force her to grow up.

It works the other way too: she picked him precisely because he was a deadbeat. "He's hot, but has no future? Perfect." And now here comes Daniel, Mr. No Future. Except, ironically, he's starting for the first time in his life to imagine one. Oops!

Of course, it's complicated by the fact that she's starting to think about the future too, or so she says. But with her huge resistence to packing, clearly she is resisting it.

On a side note, I was confused by their dialogue when she first talks about the pregnancy:

CHLOE
If I decide to have this thing, I'm
gonna go to my sister's, birth it
with her.

DANIEL
And what then?

CHLOE
I will raise it like my own or give it
away, sell it on the black market.

DANIEL
I thought you hadn't decided
whether you were gonna have
it or not.

CHLOE
I can't not have it.

DANIEL
Why not?

CHLOE
You know what? You should
run away, too.
Why does Daniel say "I thought you hadn't decided" when Chloe clearly said "If I decide?" And why does she say "I can't not have it?" right after saying "If I decide?"


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