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It was all a red herring.

posted 8 years ago by Mr_Fluffykins
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Cj pickens deposition, trying to butter us up

I think Daniel might be guilty,
while listening the recording of his therapy session, something about his neck twigs, his memory
the last time he was listening to a music device was during listening of his confession
he touches his own neck,
the next shot is him just looking traumatized, he finally remembered what happened with hannah,

sure the case was corrupted by roger nelms and senator foulkes, and the guys who commuted the rape, they were never charged,
trey saw no rape,
he went back for more and saw the process,

Trey, chris, and george were the rapists,

but daniels just realized he himself is the killer..

[–] saskia520 8 years ago

Interesting. Could be. I guess we'll know soon. I think there's two episodes left. It's certainly a tragic story. From one girl getting raped and murdered to all the collateral damage surrounding the crime to the years spent in turmoil. Maybe we won't ever know.

[–] punchallwhitewomen 8 years ago

There is only 1 more episode left.

[–] Mr_Fluffykins 8 years ago

1 episode, but it is 110 minutes, most likely 85-90 minutes air actual show left,
maybe they will leave it ambiguous,
the ending just felt really important,

[–] BreakingDexter 8 years ago

If Daniel IS guilty, it makes the whole show POINTLESS!!!

[–] punchallwhitewomen 8 years ago

How so?

[–] Mr_Fluffykins 8 years ago

there is a point to every moment in this show,
it is about the suffering the rape and murder of Hannah dean, which if i am correct are two different crimes,

but they were both pinned on Daniel, and the whole two, especially the families will suffer

i look forward to Judy Dean - Janet scene that i imagine will happen next time, both the most damaged by the 20 years previous decisions, and the fragmentation of their family metaphorically and psychologically,

it is also an examination of corruption of small town politics, and political sway and friendships can have benefits that lead to injustices,

Daniel certainly would have been less likely to gone to death row if the murder was not of a sexual nature, involving rape, although i am not sure what constitutes capital murder in gerogia,

Chris Nelms got away with murder, and because of his fathers connections went on to have a cozy life as a doctor, while Daniel was raped, held in a box next to his rapist, and nearly made it to the injection table, 5 times,
Even if Daniel is the murderer, he is stil a sensitive being, and he is damaged,

Really the show is about PTSD

[–] punchallwhitewomen 8 years ago

Nelms got away with murder? Don't you mean rape?

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[–] punchallwhitewomen 8 years ago

I'm so confused. I thought Hanna was gang raped by Christopher, Trey, and George and that Trey went back to murder Hanna, not Christopher.

[–] mme3924-1 8 years ago

What I'm confused about is why the sheriff and Foulkes focused so on Daniel? Why did they become so sure he was the one?

Why did they decide it was Daniel, of all the boys? If that was made clear in the first three seasons, I don't recall, except that he covered her body with flowers, and sat with her. Was he found beside her?

[–] punchallwhitewomen 8 years ago

I think he was found holding her hand.

[–] Whatlarks 8 years ago

CJ PICKENS
He seemed like a boy who was
lying, saying he couldn't remember
things, saying he didn't recall, said
that he was with the girl for a while.

DANIEL
I didn't want her to be uncovered,
so I... I got some wildflowers,
put them on her in her private
places. I just... put her legs back
together. And I... I placed Jacob's
Ladder in her hair. She wasn't
laughing anymore. I don't even
know why I got upset. She was so...
So sad. So I sat with her. Till the
sun came up. Then the sheriff came.

"You must not judge what I know by what I find words for." - Marilynne Robinson

[–] wdbehg17 8 years ago

mme3924-1 posted...

What I'm confused about is why the sheriff and Foulkes focused so on Daniel? Why did they become so sure he was the one?

Why did they decide it was Daniel, of all the boys? If that was made clear in the first three seasons, I don't recall, except that he covered her body with flowers, and sat with her. Was he found beside her?

I can't remember exactly who, but at some point in season 1 (if I recall correctly) someone said that Daniel was found sitting by her body and muttering "I'm so sorry." over and over. This is why they automatically assumed he was the one who killed her.

In any event it is rather suspicious if you ask me. What exactly was he sorry for? This leads me to believe that perhaps in the end we are going to find out that Daniel really did murder her after all.

[–] Whatlarks 8 years ago

From Ep. 101, Always There:

CJ
I've got doubts he is the killer, now.

FOULKES
But, are they reasonable? Doubts.
Just forget about the confession,
for a minute. He was found sitting
beside the girl's corpse, just holding
her hand, speaking gibberish half
the time. And the other half, saying
how sorry he was. He didn't go get
help. He didn't scream out. He
spent the morning gathering
wildflowers to put in her hair, CJ.

CJ
And I was the one who found him
with her, remember?

FOULKES
I remember. I just wanna make
sure you remember.

"You must not judge what I know by what I find words for." - Marilynne Robinson

[–] mme3924-1 8 years ago

Really the show is about PTSD

A murderer who experiences PTSD?

Seriously?

Is that worse or better than the DP?

[–] ivitt 8 years ago

The lacking scene this season is between Amantha and Daniel. I believe one of those 2 killed Hanna Dean. I believe it is all building up to that.

[–] Mr_Fluffykins 8 years ago

DP? double penetration?
dog pound?
Designated Pregnancier?
doubtful perpetrator?
Doomed Protagonist?
destructive prayers?
demonoid proression?

[–] mme3924-1 8 years ago

Death penalty.

[–] FringeFanatic314 8 years ago

David Pumpkins, duh!

[–] Mr_Fluffykins 8 years ago

now that i know you mean the death penalty

it depends on if the character is repentant or sorry
and also the circumstances involving the murder

lets say someone rapes someone you love, and you kill them? hell years ago you would be considered a hero, still would be in some peoples eyes(mine included), of course the person is going to go to jail, without a good lawyer,

then take someone who goes around killing because they are a sociopath, sociopathic personality disorder is a mental disorder, although are often considered of sound mind, and executed anyway, instead of treated

worse for who? the murderer? or society?

out of sight out of mind,

Daniel should have never been raped in prison,
the guards in the showers are supposed to be there to keep the order, Daniel has a train run on him by five guys,
that's gotta take at least half an hour

even if daniel killed hannah, she only suffered for a minute in his hands, and doesn't have to live with the ptsd of her gang-rape,

and now he is still locked in the prison of his mind,
do you

[–] mme3924-1 8 years ago

Daniel should have never been raped in prison,
the guards in the showers are supposed to be there to keep the order, Daniel has a train run on him by five guys,
that's gotta take at least half an hour

Have you seen The Shawshank Redemption?

There are gangs in prison, although gangs are illegal. Drugs get smuggled into prison, though that is illegal. Guards have affairs with convicts, though that is illegal.

What should happen or not happen and what does happen or not happen is often not at all the same thing.

[–] Mr_Fluffykins 8 years ago

oh i know it happens,
i watched all of oz,
practically screaming at the screen "CHECK THE FING CAMERAS"
although that was a serialized drama and not reality,

[–] Whatlarks 8 years ago

I think there has been a fundamental misinterpretation of this scene.

We are certainly meant to recall the scene in Ep 208, The Great Destroyer, when Daniel listened to the tape of his original testimony with Sheriff Pickens - who of course figures large in this latest episode - and while listening to it, was strangling a mock-up of Hanna's head, unsuccessfully trying to force up the memory of doing it.

But the purpose of recalling to the viewer's mind that previous scene is not to suggest that Daniel now remembers strangling Hanna. Rather, it is to suggest that, like Hanna, he too is a victim of strangulation and rape, with a cause that originated in a crime that he did not commit. All we really need to know about that crime has already been said: "Trey went back."

The progression of Daniel's therapy alone is of great significance, and doubling up with another memory would debase its significance by making it a mere plot device. This is a significant progression of his therapy because he has dissociated from his own experience, and the recording is meant to reinforce its reality over and over, to help his mind process it when there is no present threat. He is now facing that reality, on his own.

Focusing on the beautiful drops of water was Daniel's psyche's way of saving itself; but there is a double-edged sword to this wonderful ability. Dissocation becomes habit; the brain is plastic and literally reorganizes neural pathways to create a kind of superhighway where escape from reality becomes an automatic, deeply ingrained response to stress -- even if the stress is no longer life-threatening.

"You must not judge what I know by what I find words for." - Marilynne Robinson

[–] mme3924-1 8 years ago

Dissocation becomes habit

Dissociation is a way of coping with painful, frightening, dreaded experiences. But psychologists warn against it, as not being helpful or healthful. Instead, they encourage facing and accepting and conquering, not avoiding, which is really what dissociation is.

[–] Whatlarks 8 years ago

A confusion there between before and after. Psychologists don't "warn against it" because as a natural response to extreme traumatic experience an advance warning can have no value, no practical effect. No psychologist would warn, for example, a resident of Aleppo in advance of another bombing about dissociation and encourage them to face and accept and conquer, not avoid.

Dissociation is indeed helpful and healthful in the moment. It's how human beings can endure overwhelming trauma and pain while it's happening, just like the body goes into shock, or produces swelling around a wound, or withdraws heat from extremities to the core. These extreme, automatic responses to extreme conditions serve very practical, limited-time purposes while having potentially negative consequences.

What psychologists do warn about are the negative consequences of dissociation, and the need to deal with them, particularly when it's repetitive due to repetitive trauma, after the events, not before. Similarly, medical experts warn about the negative effects of shock, and the need for first responders to deal with them.

"You must not judge what I know by what I find words for." - Marilynne Robinson

[–] Mr_Fluffykins 8 years ago

I really hope it is a "finally accepting that he has been wrong situation"
i was split down the middle, with the ending, figuring that they could be setting you up for either type of conclusion,

although if you read the synopsis for "just saying", it does seem he is progressing well

its going to take years for him too get better,

just at this point i wouldn't be surprised if they pulled a fast one at the end,

this season has 99/100 on metacritic with 33 reviews last time i checked, making it the second highest critically acclaimed season of all time, besides season two of murphy brown, based off 7 reviews,

judging by all the reviews ive read of this current season, especially last night,
it is almost universally agreed that Daniel is innocent, trey is the killer,

i have a feeling if it turns out otherwise the 99 will drop steeply

with the full 90 minute finale next week, i expect a magical episode,
happy unburdening, was not that "happy",
and maybe the depressing quality that seemed extra heightened might have been effecting my perception,
as well as the fact, that the grief rectify is over in less then a week, might a skewed my perception aswell