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Any thoughts on the painting Chloe gave to Daniel?


I don't know what to make of it. I wish I had something to offer on the subject, but I've got nothing.

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When it comes to paintings/art the opinion will vary depending on the individual. From what I saw of it.....I didn't like it, but that's me.


Edit: From the brief view I had, it looked like a portrait of a young boy in a sitting position. Could be wrong with that though.

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I should've worded my original post better. I wasn't asking if people liked the painting. I was interested in knowing what people thought the significance of the painting was. A man wearing nothing but glasses and a pair of socks, sitting in a chair and smoking? Why of all paintings did she give him that one?

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I always go by my gut reaction to art, and I don't think I'd hang it in a barn. Others may have a different reaction, so let's take a closer look at it: https://parody-pix.smugmug.com/Pix/Painting/

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https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-TLG67x/

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Then the child turned away to stare out the window, telling us that lost innocence can never be found again. It can never come back.

How does it tell us that?

And where does the story tell us that Daniel has been robbed of any sense of wonder?


"You must not judge what I know by what I find words for." - Marilynne Robinson

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I wonder if we could put aside abstract symbols and just be with the scene, emotionally. You're in Daniel's shoes, vicariously experiencing what he does. How does this exchange with the boy make you feel?

After scrutinizing the painting, the child looks up and meets Daniel's eye. A small smile breaks out on his face. He then looks away and out the window.

It seems to me that a connection has been made between them, child and adult, an acknowledgement of kindred spirits. The child returns to gazing out the window, watching the world go by. He's open, a curious soul.

Didn't Daniel connect with that innocence? Didn't that innocence acknowledge and accept him? Didn't they both feel good about this moment?

If Daniel is alienated from innocence, how come he connects with it? How come the moment gives him quiet joy?

The scene with Pickles: the whole point is that Daniel DOES feel disappointment. That fact is in your quote from Pickles. The feeling of surprise isn't addressed in that scene.

Daniel has a curious and highly imaginative mind. At one point he says he's not surprised by anything, but this is because everything is surprising to him since leaving prison. That doesn't literally mean he isn't surprised by anything, and can't feel wonder. He's a stranger in a strange land; how could it be otherwise?


"You must not judge what I know by what I find words for." - Marilynne Robinson

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Symbols are abstractions. Intellectualizations. Same thing with applying "American Gothic": that's just a category. It's not some kind of answer guide. This is cart leading horse. Approaching the story from the outside-in. I've seen the same thing done when it comes to genre: people ticking off boxes to fit the story to the category.

For example, Daniel is not "adrift" in Nashville. We have watched him increasingly integrate into the New Canaan community, establish an employment history, baby-steps day by day to rebuild his life.

What does it even mean to say one's "future isn't started yet?" The future starts every moment. How can it not start?

Daniel could go to Ohio, but his way forward is to stay in Nashville for the time being. It's where he's got a foothold, where the resources are that can help him progress.

You proclaim that "Children are the future," but this is a generic meaning and it's perfectly arbitrary. The boy has a specific, concrete effect in that few moments. That effect is evidently positive; how can you deny that Daniel and the boy share this connection? They smile at each other. The boy turns away because he's not very well going to continue looking at this man. Why would he? If you want the boy to represent the future, fine; the future has just smiled upon Daniel.

his facial expression could have just as meaningfully expressed resignation.

I said that the moment gives him quiet joy, and it does. You're talking about when the moment ends, when of course it's back to reality after that connection, and he feels the resignation that we all feel after being visited by a moment of grace, when we know we must return to the daily grind. And Daniel's grind happens to be listening to his own narration of traumatic events in his past. Things like that. Ho hum!

But it's not an either/or situation where we either get to feel connected to others, to innocence, grace, etc., on an ongoing basis or we never do. Nobody lives 100% connected or disconnected; some, like Daniel, perhaps experience that feeling more sporadically than others. But I'm not sure about that; he seems to attract moments of grace and connection. Not everyone has access to quiet joy like that.

The story ends with Daniel lying in bed, and we look down on him from the same overhead camera position as the episode prior. Context is everything: last time he was enduring the pain of listening to himself narrate being raped in prison; this time he's creating a vision of hope - you can't miss the rebirth symbol. Yet more context: we heard all about what a giant step hope was for ex-convicts, as spoken by Mr. Pickles.

You're misapplying that southern gothic book, distancing from the experience and meaning of the story at hand. The ending of Rectify is blatantly positive for its protagonist. Context is far more reliable than intellectualizing abstract symbols. That way lyeth the wabbit hole.


"You must not judge what I know by what I find words for." - Marilynne Robinson

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Without friends? The finale shows him enjoying his friends. He even chooses to postpone answering Janet's call because it would disturb the moment. The writers developed that context over the whole season.

Family can visit. He's not a child anymore; that's the point.

The place he's in is also where he's learning new skills and healing the trauma of the past. That's not being trapped, it's the process of moving out of the trap. As I say, baby steps. A person can be in an imposed situation and still derive significant benefits from it. Happens to all of us.

his future is a continuation of his past.

What the hay are you talking about? S4 was all about breaking the hold of the past on the present so he can have a future. The past of course still has a grip, but S4 shows that grip gradually loosening, and in the finale we see several examples of major progression for the character.

I've said how I know this about quiet joy. If that phrase bugs you, just call it a pleasing connection.

It is much more positive for those he left behind in Paulie.

Comparison is irrelevant; all that matters is the relative change for the character himself. The state of change for other characters is not the benchmark for Daniel.

What do you mean the door that leads to a positive outcome is locked? The character's vision of hope for his future substitutes for the vision of trauma that held him in the past. McKinnon was pretty exact in contrasting the final images of his last two episodes. That contrast underscores a most positive shift for the character. It would be unnatural to depict his situation as more advanced than that. That little is enough, and more: it's promising.


"You must not judge what I know by what I find words for." - Marilynne Robinson

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Sure, no problem. Going forward, it's only fair that if you drag out the dead horse again, I get to flog it again. Otherwise you'll go riding off in all directions.

That was a reference to another author. An antidote for when the Southern Gothic gets too heavy. Twain would work too.


"You must not judge what I know by what I find words for." - Marilynne Robinson

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How do you know it gave him quiet joy?



Good question. Perception of this series has been tossed around quite a lot. What makes that perception clearer and more true than, say, the perception you have that he is not joyful. He smiled slightly at the child. But most people smile at children; it's almost an involuntary reaction. For the record, I didn't see joy, either. I saw a kind of acceptance of the child's curiosity about the painting, and Daniel's usual choice not to explain or comment.

Families in American southern gothic novels are almost universally sorrowful and joyless.


Faulkner-like, in fact. Any doubt that McKinnon was influenced by Faulkner? Remember that line from Absalom Absalom, when Quentin tells his roommate "I don't hate the south. I don't hate it! I don't hate it!" Often, watching Rectify, I've thought of that line from Faulkner, and wondered if McKinnon didn't think of it, too, writing Rectify.



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It seems to me that a connection has been made between them, child and adult, an acknowledgement of kindred spirits. The child returns to gazing out the window, watching the world go by. He's open, a curious soul.



What kind of connection has been made? How did they acknowledge that they are kindred spirits?

not surprised by anything, but this is because everything is surprising to him since leaving prison. That doesn't literally mean he isn't surprised by anything, and can't feel wonder.


So we are not to take literally what Daniel says? He says he's not surprised by anything and yet he really means that he is surprised by everything? Then why doesn't he say that? He's otherwise a pretty literal guy.

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They acknowledged they were kindred spirits because they smiled over something in particular. The boy wasn't attracted to Daniel alone, and he didn't just smile at a child because of an involuntary impulse. Context is everything in this series.

To say you're not surprised by anything is to say you expect the world to be surprising. There are so many surprises that you are not surprised they occur. This is a common phrase and meaning, and people don't take it literally when it's used.


"You must not judge what I know by what I find words for." - Marilynne Robinson

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To say you're not surprised by anything is to say you expect the world to be surprising. There are so many surprises that you are not surprised they occur. This is a common phrase and meaning, and people don't take it literally when it's used.





Massively convoluted. Actually when one says "I'm not surprised" it is usually meant cynically; the speaker doesn't expect anything to surprise him/her. They are jaded and have passed beyond being surprised by anything.

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I think that was intentional. To give the image too loaded a meaning would've focused more attention on it as a symbol of something. Given Chloe's penchant for emotional neutrality, it seemed like something she'd give him, something without much emotional weight.

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