Why does it always have to be Superman?


Ok, now I've got enough of this. It's always Superman who's shown to have gone rogue. While Batman, in all universes, gets to be the 'good' guy.

What is it with these writers?

Clark: 'Jonathan Kent; isn't it a little past ur bedtime?'

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Actually, you have this reversed. Batman went rogue, which makes him a liability to the authorities, for whom Superman works. Batman has a general problem with authority. Add to that his slight paranoia and lack of super powers compared to some of his peers, and you can see why he often is the one with contingencies to take out his peers in case he ends up fighting against them.

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By rogue I mean that he was shown as a negative character. Or the one to beat.

Even if Batman was shown having a problem with authority, it seemed like what he was doing was good.

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Miller's story is brilliant BECAUSE of precisely this. Superman is the "bad guy" because we see the story from Batman's perspective and yet we see the necessity for what Batman does at the same time.

Both character's are good guys operating under a different set of rules of engagement and this is because the people (us) are so indecisive.

Robin's parents are Miller's disdain of the 'hippy' culture that hates the police and sit around wishing people would be good but they never are. The Joker's psychologist is another textbook stereotype of weakness to crime by crying for the criminal and not the people the criminal kills. The mayor is impotent because the people want crime stopped but by non violent ways (diplomacy with barbarians).

If you want a villain, look at the people of Gotham city.



SPOILERS BELOW:

You are aware that Batman wins the fight with Superman, but that Superman wins the war? Batman, in the end, leaves behind the Dark Knight persona and begins teaching and training the locals in how to fight the war against crime from the shadows so that the people don't get all worked up about it. In the end, that's all Superman wanted, to not, "Remind them [the people] that Giants walk the earth."

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There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who get binary and those who don't.

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Because Batman is just a man. The JL vs Just a man doesn't sound like a great story.

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Good explanation.

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I guess youre forgetting about owlman.

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I think we all are. I know I am. Who the hell is owlman?

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Owlman is the evil equivalent of Batman in the Crime Syndicate of Earth-3. On that world, he is Thomas Wayne Junior; he is a brilliant tactician and very dangerous opponent. The Crime Syndicate was featured in the animated movie Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths.

"You seem familiar with my name, but I don't remember smelling you before."

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This was a Batman movie, try watching a Superman film next time.

Enough is enough! I have had it with these monkey fighting snakes on this Monday thru Friday plane!

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