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I'm feeling sad that it's about to end...


I'm starting to get that same feeling I had when I realized that other TV shows I'd really enjoyed watching (like Breaking Bad, Mad Men, Sopranos) were approaching their conclusions. A big part of this was knowing that there would now be a void in my TV viewing as one of my favorites was now finito and would entertain me no longer...

But there's also a bit of apprehension, too, that the show "sticks its landing" with its finish and doesn't disappoint with it's big finale'. I'm trying to keep an open mind that I'll accept whatever fate is in store for the Jennings, but there are a couple of things for the story that, if they transpire before the show concludes, would leave a bad taste in my mouth. For one, I'm really hoping they don't suddenly decide to have Laurie Holden be revealed as another Soviet spy who's been planted with Stan; I really think this would be a cheap trick and too manipulative on the audience to suddenly pull out of a hat at this late stage. Also, but not as important, is I hope the show doesn't wrap up with a total tragic fate for all of the Jennings, and even though Elizabeth likely deserves some kind of reckoning for her actions, I hope not everyone in the family's life is ruined.

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> I'm really hoping they don't suddenly decide to have Laurie Holden be revealed as another Soviet spy who's been planted with Stan; I really think this would be a cheap trick and too manipulative on the audience to suddenly pull out of a hat at this late stage.

I'm hoping the same thing, but for an additional reason. I've seen too many fans of this show who seem to think that every event that happens to the main characters has to have significant meaning (and often double or triple meanings); every random person who comes through their lives must be CIA, FBI, or KGB; etc. In truth, most of the people they'd encounter would be ordinary schmucks, nothing more.

> But there's also a bit of apprehension, too, that the show "sticks its landing" with its finish and doesn't disappoint with it's big finale'.

There are just way too many loose ends they'll have to leave hanging, and that's OK. From the previews of coming attractions, it looks like Pastor Tim will come back into the picture somehow. And Elizabeth's actions in yesterday's episode have made me rethink every scenario I've been mulling over about the ending. Oh, well. As long as the writers make it interesting I'll be happy.

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Yeah, I feel that way, too, about Elizabeth's belated awakening that maybe Philip has a point about asking questions to her superiors. It's definitely a game-changer for where the plot can go now, and looking ahead to a climax of a Philip vs. Elizabeth showdown doesn't seem so definite anymore.

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Episode 9 feels a lot like Breaking Bad when Walt got outed.

Speculation: There will need to be a couple scenes with Stan after he knows who they are. Stan would definitely want them locked up or even executed, but that won't happen. I think they will somehow help prevent a coup by the old guard like Claudia from The Center, because that keeps them loyal to the official government in Moscow and also benefits the US. However the summit in D.C. happened in 1987 and the August Coup attempt was in 1991. They may be in US custody or on the run during that time (or they play fast and loose with the timeline), then they make a deal by trading that info. Philip and Elizabeth will probably go free, either in the US or back home. I think they have a scene with Henry and Paige where they say goodbye. But storywise, they killed a lot of people, some of them innocent bystanders in the wrong place at the wrong time, I don't see them having a happy ending. Someone will be waiting for them to slip so they can get some payback, and probably they will be too defeated to care. Their kids will have a better ending.

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Nope, all will die.

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The Breaking Bad comparison occurred to me, also. I was very much hoping The Americans would avoid the same kind of sudden reveal that happened when Hank found the book and it suddenly clicked that Walt was Heisenberg. The Americans has made Stan's discovery much more of slow burn kind of reveal, a dawning realization more than a sudden light-bulb moment.

I'm tending to think along the same lines--that at least the Jennings kids will survive this tale. The creator of the show has talked about how the inspiration for the series came from the true-life tale of one family also with two children (two boys in this case) who once outed were deported back to Russia (this happening in the spy case that was broken after the USSR had fallen).

I think it might be too late for Elizabeth to either receive or deserve redemption, although I suppose if you happen to be a forgiving a person you'd believe that redemption can come (and be deserved) at any time, as long as it's genuine. I would like to see Philip survive since he's definitely changed the most since the story began, but I don't think he will (survive), and that will make this story all the more tragic since he's earned another chance more so than Elizabeth.

I think both of the kids will make it out alive and be sent "home" to the USSR (just like in the real-life circumstance) where they'll be strangers in a soviet land, outcasts, and unable to integrate into their new surroundings (which will be implied or maybe even less, just inferred, since there's only so much time the show has left to do much in one final episode).

So, in keeping with the true nature of most tragedies, someone always needs to die, and in this case it will be either one or both between Philip and Elizabeth, and I honestly can't say I can guess how it's going to climax. I guess we'll find out in five days!

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For some reason, I have a feeling no one will die, like I did before, thinking of how the show will end. I think they'll go for realism and have P&E taken or freely surrender to the FBI.

The scene I'm looking forward to is the one between Phillip and Stan, when Stan realizes 100% that he'd been chasing his best friend.

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Yeah, there absolutely has to be some kind of showdown between Stan and Philip, that's obligatory. I'm beginning to wonder if perhaps Stan's wife will have some kind of crucial role to play yet, too...I'm really hoping she's not some kind of another Soviet sleeper agent, though. I'd rather her character just be a red herring than that.

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It's not really the showdown I'm expecting, but the drama of it. They are best friends, been there for each other for years.

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I agree, the betrayal of their friendship by the revelation of Philip's secret life and how Stan deals with that is what I'm looking forward to seeing, too. And I think that if violence is avoided between the two of them that would be an original path to take, but will no doubt probably piss-off a lot of viewers who have made it to the conclusion because they've been counting on some kind of throw-down.

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> There will need to be a couple scenes with Stan after he knows who they are. Stan would definitely want them locked up or even executed, but that won't happen.

Yeah, but ... Stan tends to see enemies as human beings first and enemies second. Which is not a bad thing in itself, but he sometimes lets it influence his actions toward those people (Nina, Oleg). And P&E have been his neighbors and friends for years; he knows them, they've been in and out of each others' houses a zillion times (which, BTW, makes it a little lacking in credibility that he only now has found out that Elizabeth smokes at all). He's babysat their kids. His son briefly dated their daughter. He's played racketball with Philip a few thousand times. Well, ya get the idea.

I'm just guessing out loud here, and I hadn't even thought of this until I saw your comment two minutes ago and the possibilities began occuring to me ... but I wonder if we're going to see something like this? Stan knows who they are, knows what they've been up to, etc. He knows that if they're caught they'll spend a *long* time locked up, and their lives (as well as Paige's and Henry's) will be wrecked. And he's got *the* key piece of information to make an arrest happen. Maybe P&E have disappeared but somehow Stan has figured out which way they've headed; maybe he's got some critical document nobody else knows about that's got P&E's fingerprints on it; whatever. Point it, it's up to him. If he says nothing, P&E get away; if he does his duty P&E are locked up. He knows he should turn them in, but ... he just can't make himself do it.

Anyway, it's gonna be interesting. With all the things that have happened just over the past two weeks, I can't come up with any guesses for the ending that even strike me as fairly plausible; every scenario I come up with has some problem, some reason things can't work out that way. Which is just a compliment to how well the writers have done their jobs.

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The thing with Stan, remember his boss he really looked up to got killed and that had him messed up for a while. That's why I think he will go nuts on them when he finds out.

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> his boss he really looked up to got killed and that had him messed up for a while.

Yeah, and the same thing happened -- even more so -- early on when Amador was killed. But then again, by that reasoning, shouldn't he have been more hard nosed and ruthless when dealing with Oleg?

Stan has strong personal loyalties to people, sometimes too much for his own good. And he seems to think there are "good Russians" and "bad Russians." But now I'm wondering ... let's say Stan figures out who P&E are. The last few episodes seem to be leading us to believe this will happen, so let's say it does.

I think one important thing is, how much specifically does Stan find out? If he just figures out that P&E are USSR agents who have been doing unspecified hanky-panky around DC, almost certainly not the only ones, and he doesn't have any specifics on their more vile deeds, that's one thing. At the other extreme, if Stan finds out that it was Philip who stuck the knife in Amador's guts, then I'm guessing P is toast. (Although I can't imagine how he'd find that out unless P just tells him, which would be aggravated stupidity on P's part.) But let's say Stan finds out about some of their nastier acts but nothing that involves anyone he knows personally? Where does that leave him?

I dunno ... now I'm guessing in circles. :)

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I wonder if we're going to see something like this? Stan knows who they are, knows what they've been up to, etc. He knows that if they're caught they'll spend a *long* time locked up, and their lives (as well as Paige's and Henry's) will be wrecked. And he's got *the* key piece of information to make an arrest happen. Maybe P&E have disappeared but somehow Stan has figured out which way they've headed; maybe he's got some critical document nobody else knows about that's got P&E's fingerprints on it; whatever. Point it, it's up to him. If he says nothing, P&E get away; if he does his duty P&E are locked up. He knows he should turn them in, but ... he just can't make himself do it.


Hee hee ... can I call 'em or what? :)

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The whole logistics of getting from the confrontation in the parking lot to bringing them in, Stan was like the dog who finally caught the tire and now is stunned by having to figure out what to do with the rest of the car.

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