How disparate can you be???
DOOM is my favorite villain
We are literally never getting a faithful screen adaptation of Fantastic Four.
Sure. Dr. Doom is an evil Tony Stark variant now, because why TF not.
DOOM is my favorite villain
We are literally never getting a faithful screen adaptation of Fantastic Four.
Sure. Dr. Doom is an evil Tony Stark variant now, because why TF not.
there was a Tony Stark variant of Doctor Doom in the comics from 2004 , so its not just some random desperate decision, its actually from the comics
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Anthony_Stark_(Earth-5012)
looks like you solved the mystery
shareNot everything that came from the comics is a good thing. I’m this isn’t victor van doom just another Tony stark?
shareYeah no, this doesn't make it better. Even if they knew about this, which I doubt, do you really think the fans wanted a version of Doom based on an obscure what-if story? You really think this was a smart move?
To quote Stark himself, “Not a great plan.”
I dont think its a smart move no, well if its written well maybe, but id prefer RDJ to me remembered as Iron Man and only Iron Man
sharePeople keep bringing up that ONE story as if that’s the only Dr. Doom story that has ever been written. It’s as if they want to ignore the decades that came before and even all the stories that have happened since.
shareI suppose one could argue that Tony Stark and Victor von Doom are disparate entities, but on the other hand it makes sense that in some universe Stark went bad and used his genius to conquer rather than save.
Then again, we don't know the extent of Robert Downey's involvement. Doom famously never removes his mask, so perhaps he's only voicing Doom, a la Spader and Ultron. Or maybe, as in Secret Wars, he repairs his face and makes the choice to look like Stark to confuse the heroes. Until we see the films, we don't know where they're going with this.
Let’s hope not, theirs a reason why he never removes his mask.
shareHere's a faithful adaptation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN0FoR_FlZg
lol more like a famously terrible adaptation.
shareWhat are you talking about, it's great.
Have you read the comics? I have and I think it's one of the better adaptations, if not the best one so far.
Oh, I thought you were joking. You actually like that crappy movie?
shareYou damn right I do.
Show me a better looking Dr. Doom in a movie.
I mean, that film looks like a middle school class project, and that Dr. Doom is hands down the cheesiest, fakest, corniest one ever put on film. Both the 2005/2007 Dr. Doom and the 2015 Dr. Doom are orders of magnitude better than the schlock you linked. There's a reason that film was never released, and a reason Corman's reputation is what it is.
The only audience I can imagine enjoying the '94 version is small children, and even there I'm unconvinced that they wouldn't also be disinterested due to its terrible production values.
Doctor Doom in “Rise of the Silver Surfer” looks a hell of a lot better.
https://youtu.be/MqkliDNDOKg?si=B58VPz3_yZbaYHec
Hell, he looks pretty good even by modern standards, despite that RotSS wasn’t a good film overall.
Doctor Doom in the 1994 film looks perfect.
shareIt’s a bad movie movie but it’s technically a more faithful adaptation than the movies that’s come out since.
The Tim Story movies had him as an American business man with metal skin and electric powers.
The Josh Trank movie had him as an astronaut who was turned into a psychic robot by the Negative Zone.
… and hopefully the MCU version won’t be just Evil Iron Man.
I think evil Iron Man is a great idea, rife with amazing possibilities.
What comic book fans, and often the studios who make comic book movies, forget is that what works in a comic book rarely translates directly to the big screen. One of the most brilliant things the MCU did was to tone down the costumes of most of the heroes. Lurid drawings with bright colors and flashy costumes are perfect in a comic, especially one aimed at a child, because you never stop to imagine how that would play out in real life. If you want hundreds of thousands of grown-ups to pay to see your movie, you have to tone down the childish elements. That's why Loki looks like Tom Hiddleston in a suit and not the outlandish character drawn by Kirby, Heck, Sinnott and the rest. Thor, too, was given a subdued costume, and everyone, even Spider-Man and Iron Man, took on a muted color palette.
There's a reason almost everyone laughs when they watch the 1994 Fantastic Four movie, and it's because it is aimed at an 8-year-old. Most all adults are too intelligent and sophisticated to be drawn into something so simple, and any faithful adaptation of a comic is going to fail for that reason, unless it is created specifically as a film for kids.
Using the 1994 FF movie as a reason why Dr. Doom can’t work is a bad argument.
That movie was never even meant to be released. It was made for copyright purposes and it just so happened to end up on bootlegs. Dr. Doom can absolutely work in live action.
Of course he can work. I'm not saying that at all. My point is that he'll work if they make him interesting, engaging, and threatening yet understandable. Comic book Dr. Doom just did evil things to be evil. He wanted wealth and power. That's a recipe for a boring film. They need to make him someone we can understand, even if we're rooting against him, like Loki for example. That's the genius of casting Downey. He can give us a Doom that is multi-layered, flawed yet someone we can empathize with, and ultimately a villain whose defeat will truly satisfy the audience, a la Thanos.
shareComic Dr. Doom has never “just done evil things”. He’s always had a noble side.
shareGo back to the beginning and you'll see he was a power-mad guy out to steal money and be bad. He later evolved into something more nuanced.
shareHis first appearance had him sending the FF through time. Sure, the 60s could be silly but he was always out to rule the works and kill Reed.
You are right that he became nuanced later but we’re still talking the 80s with Walt Simonson and John Byrne turning out some of the greatest Doom stories that turned him into one of the greatest comic villains of all time. He’s up there with Magento and Thanos and deserves to have a proper live action version.
Agree. Lazy desperation.
shareA multiverse storyline allows you to be as disparate as you need!!
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Also, I feel like the ''average viewer" (which is like most of the audience tbh) is gonna be confused as hell. RDJ is synonymous with his Iron Man role that most people just know him as Tony Stark.
I'm honestly just waiting for them to cast Chris Evans as Magneto or something. haha
I've done some research and Tony Stark being DOOM is based on an 80's comic "Demon in an Armor"
shareWhy can’t we have a regular Victor Von DOOM? Not a Tony stark variant
shareWho says we won't? We have zero idea what the Russos have planned. For all we know this is a massive fake-out to get Downey on set to reprise his Iron Man role while fooling us into believing he'll be Dr. Doom. Or he's one of many Dr. Dooms in the multiverse who flips sides and helps the Avengers. Or he's simply the voice of Doom, whose face we never see.
sharePreviously people were upset about Hugh Jackman being Wolverine because he was too tall for the role.
Then every radical comic book fan were casting this or that wrestler as Thor, and they were upset when Chris Hemsworth was cast.
RDJ will probably flop in the role along with the movie. But fans are far from being luminaries.