In the documentary, one of Rodriguez's daughters says they lived in 26 different houses growing up. But at the end of the film, they say Rodriguez lived in the same home for 40 years.
Discrepancy in the research?
He's 70 years old, it's possible all that moving around happened before he hit 30.
shareThe daughter isn't 40, or barely so if she is.
shareVery good point! You're right, it doesn't add up. Maybe there's some detail missing - and a little hyperbole added?
Does the daughter specify that it was Rodriquez she always lived with? We never meet her mom.
Or maybe the movie is a total sham.
shareI hope its not a sham like Anvil was.
Maybe the daughters did not live with Rodriguez.
Maybe they lived with their mother/mothers.
Who knows? But it is a good point.
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Are you a bug Bill Murray?
How was Anvil a sham?
shareAnvil was a sham because it was edited all out of chronological order.
The story presented is not how it actually played out in real life.
When I watch a documentary, I want truth. I do not want to see one that shifts around events for dramatic effect.
A much better metal documentary is Last Days Here.
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Are you a bug Bill Murray?
There is no 'truth'.
The idea that documentaries should have no bias is a rather silly idea. It's a movie. About a subject, told through the eyes of a particular documentarian.
That doesn't make them 'lies' or 'shams' -- merely one person's (or team's) interpretation of a story.
I respectfully, but completely and utterly disagree.
I am not talking about bias.
I am talking about re-arranging events and presenting them as a truthful representation of what actually happened.
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Are you a bug Bill Murray?
It's been a while since I've seen Anvil, so don't know which specifics events you speak of.
But in general, I'd say artistic license is allowable--even in documentaries.
I can't speak for the other person, but the glaring issue for me in Anvil is that they indicate that a Japanese promoter heard their CD and that is why they were invited to do the concert in Japan. Where in fact, the CD came out AFTER they did that concert.
Sure, documentaries take artistic license and don't always present things in the true chronological order. The issue is not that the order is reversed. It's that they say that the concert invite happened BECAUSE of the CD, which couldn't be true because the concert came before the CD was issued. That's not artistic license, that's simply lying.
You must be the change you seek in the world. -- Gandhi
Is there a chance someone in the music industry could have heard the 'CD' before the official launch? Given that many albums are 'findable' well before release on the internet, I wouldn't be surprised if someone in the industry had easy access to it.
Well, that's interesting. I posed that exact question on the "Anvil" board, and the fanboys just got huffy and basically said that those of us who were asking were making something of nothing. Even though those of us who were asking were at least willing to explore the possibility that you suggest. Which says to me that it didn't happen that way.
You must be the change you seek in the world. -- Gandhi
You do seem to be making something out of nothing.
And you use the tone of an anonymous message board response to make judgments of facts. How odd.
No, not just the tone of the responses, the content. To review: the film makers implied that Anvil was invited to tour Japan because of their CD, but the invitation happened before the CD came out. That would mean the documentary misled the audience.
An alternate explanation is that somebody got an advance copy of the CD, but when this was asked, there were NO responses verifying this. Only responses getting pissed that the question was even asked. So yes, my conclusion is that my original judgment was correct.
You must be the change you seek in the world. -- Gandhi
I think at one point a daughter say says something about "seeing my STEP DAD on stage" ... houses, years and picking this to death is eventful ...
I heard the same thing and had to go back and listen to that a couple of times. She says "I stepped OUT on stage to take a picture". It does make one wonder about the mother, though, since she's never mentioned.
shareAgain, what is your real beef with the film?
shareHis daughter Eva tells us about the family's ethnic background. Then she finishes with "My father's family is Mexican. My grandfather came from Mexico. The Mexican came to Detroit to work in the auto factories. So we were working class people, blue collar workers, hard labour. We lived in 26 different homes. Some houses didn't have bedrooms, some houses didn't have bathrooms, and they weren't homes. They were just places that we lived."
I think it is reasonably clear that, placed in the above context, the "we" is in a broader sense, meaning her family, her grandfather, her father (as a child), not necessarily her own life.
They were able to rise a little above that beginning and eventually her father was able to find a place to call home for an extended period.
Wow... I really liked this documentary after seeing it last weekend...
But after coming here,its obvious that there are a lot of inconsistencies and omissions....
Luckily my appreciation of his music cant be brought into question!
I think you've got it. She meant her family, not him specifically.
shareOr they lived in 26 homes when the girls were growing up, but he himself lived in the same place after they had moved out as adults. Maybe touring in Australia got him enough money to finally buy or rent a place, but his daughters were grown up by then.
shareI also got the impression these daughters are from different mothers, so possibly some of her moving might have not involved him. She just has the number 26 in her head and doesnt have a number for how many of the 26 involve him.
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She refers to him as her stepfather as well. She said she was filming during the concert and there was her stepdad on stage.
"I'll book you. I'll book you on something. I'll find something in the book to book you on."
I heard the same thing and had to go back and listen to that a couple of times. She says "I stepped OUT on stage to take a picture". It does make one wonder about the mother, though, since she's never mentioned.
sharePlus women are notoriously bad with exaggerating or misrepresenting numbers. Ask a random woman on the street to show you with her hand how high 8 inches is off the ground and you'll see what I mean.
shareAsk a random woman on the street to show you with her hand how high 8 inches is off the ground and you'll see what I meanYes and we have men to thank for that!
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It could be that his daughter experienced living in several homes as a young child, but he eventually settled into the home that he lived in for 40 years afterward. He, like most people, probably had very little money starting out in life and having to support young children as well when he was in his 20's. I know that there were times when I was living on my own in a cheap apartment and eating Kraft macaroni and cheese for my main meal.
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