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sabotage this movie?
They don't have to.
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It's a video game movie, it would be a shock if it were even decent. And believe me, it must be decent to even have a chance of succeeding at the box office.
Disney doesn't sabotage movies, that's a fantasy That butt hurt fanboys have. Are there a minority of critics who aren't good at their jobs? Of course. Are Disney paying off critics? Obviously not or their very expensive Alice Through the Looking Glass wouldn't have gotten terrible reviews just this past summer. Disney are having a great run right now...because they purchased Marvel and LucasFilm.
If you look at Disney itself, they are terrible at big budget non Fairytale films. Tron Legacy, Tomorrowland and John Carter either under performed or flopped and got mixed to negative reviews. Their billion dollar Alice in Wonderland film was a smash hit that got poor reviews and even the audiences that saw it didn't care for it. It seems with Cinderella and now Junglebook they finally found out how to transition their animated films into live action successfully. I must not forget to mention that Maleficent had poor reviews but made money. Like Alice I think it's going to be in one movie wonder though. Disney has released some solid films and that's why their films have been getting mostly good reviews. It's as simple as that.
We're talking about a video game movie. No one will have to "sabotage" it, the movie will likely sabotage itself like all other video game movies before it.
shareIf it wasn't directed by Justin Kurzel, packed with Michael Fassbender, Marion Cotillard, Jeremy Irons, Brendan Gleeson and Charlotte Rampling, and didn't have Fassbender as the main driving force behind it, all you've wrote could have been true. But not in this reality.
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If it wasn't directed by Justin Kurzel, packed with Michael Fassbender, Marion Cotillard, Jeremy Irons, Brendan Gleeson and Charlotte Rampling, and didn't have Fassbender as the main driving force behind it, all you've wrote could have been true. But not in this reality.
And if Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time wasn't packed with Jake Gyllenhaal, Gemma Arterton, Ben Kingsley, directed by Mike Newell and produced by Jerry Bruckheimer.............well, we know how that turned out. To be fair to Prince of Persia, its the best attempt at a video game movie to date, but of course that's not saying much. The trailers were just as underwhelming, unexciting as the movie itself thanks in no small part to the total removal of the monsters that made the games exciting to play to begin with. I believe that this is the main reason why the movie tanked, because it just didn't look interesting. I'm not expecting any better with Assassins Creed just because it has an A-list cast with a good director. If the movie succeeds, it will be because of two reasons; its marketing, and luck. The former won't be the reason because the trailers are garbage, so that leaves me with the hope that the movie being released a week after Rogue One is enough for it to not be completely over shadowed by it. This of course isn't even counting the movie Passengers.
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1. Ubisoft wasn't involved in this movie production AT ALL, unlike Assassin's Creed.
2. Prince of Persia was a Disney movie, which speaks for itself. They are only good at fairytailes, and PoP requires more.
3. Prince of Persia's was created and presented as a video-game movie, unlike Assassin's Creed, which is presented as the film based on videogame.
4. The biggest argument:
Jake Gyllenhaal, Gemma Arterton, Ben Kingsley, directed by Mike Newell and produced by Jerry Bruckheimer
Gyllenhaal and Kingsley are the great actors, and Bruckheimer is a good producer, but none of these names are the marks of the quality. Gyllenhaal has Accidental Love and some other shame projects, Arterton has Quantum of Solace and Runner Runner, Kingsley has Irons Man 3, and what to say about the Razzi's nominee Jerry Bruckheimer. They were all in objectively bad films. To the opposite, if you look at Fassbender films, or Marion Cotillard films, they are proven themselves to be a marks of quality, by choosing directors and screenplays very cautious. Moreover, in PoP there was an unproven ansebmle, unlike Assassin's Creed which has the proven thrio Kurzel-Fassbender-Cotillard.
5. The biggest argument number 2: Fassbender is the driving force behind Assassin's Creed, not producers/the studio like in case of Prince of Persia. And Fassbender supports the director, Justin Kurzel, in his vision on 100%. Marion Cotillard also helped to improve the script.
6. Marketing and luck are not the only reasons to the movie's success. You forgot about two things: first, the movie has a huge brand, known among all the players, and second, the quality is the third reason why it might succeed. This, by the way, might be the factor of Rogue One's box-office too, if the movie is not good, then its box-office performance will be much much smaller. And if Assassin's Creed is good, the word of mouth will evoke its box-office significally.
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To be fair to Prince of Persia, its the best attempt at a video game movie to date
I will evoke your statement: Prince of Persia was a pretty decent movie.
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Yes, and Super Mario Bros had Bob Hoskins and Dennis Hopper in it, look how that turned out. Tomb Raider had Angelina Jolie and Daniel Craig in it, should I go on? You see, the entire history of video game movies prove that just because the cast includes good actors, even ones that are well-known and/or even a good director, does not mean that the movie will turn out to be any good.
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Yes, and Super Mario Bros had Bob Hoskins and Dennis Hopper in it, look how that turned out. Tomb Raider had Angelina Jolie and Daniel Craig in it, should I go on? You see, the entire history of video game movies prove that just because the cast includes good actors, even ones that are well-known and/or even a good director, does not mean that the movie will turn out to be any good.
Exactly, people need to get their heads screwed on straight about the true reality of video game movies, that its not as simple as getting who you perceive to be the best cast and crew just because of their previous work. Michael Fassbender has never been proven to carry an action movie all by himself. This is his first real chance at doing so being the lead actor. Its not very reassuring in of itself even though he is a very good actor. share
Assassin's Creed is not a video game movie, it is a film based on a videogame series. The filmmakers didn't approach this as a video game movie. It does not feature the plot from any game of the series.
And what do you mean by "Fassbender has never been proven to carry an action movie all by himself"? First, he's not carrying it all by himself, he has Ariane Labed, Denis Ménochet, Hovik Keuchkerian and a lot of other actors for the action part, and Marion Cotillard, Jeremy Irons and a lot of other actors for the dramatic part. Don't try to present it like Fassbender is the only star in it. Marion Cotillard is a big name too (she stars alongside Brad Pitt on another film, Allied, coming this month), just like Jeremy Irons and Brendan Gleeson.
But even if we talk about Fassbender only, he did pretty much carry all recent X-Men films on himself, didn't he? And Kurzel's Macbeth was an action film too.
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Fassbender carries all recent X-Men movies on himself??? This is one of the biggest jokes I have ever heard in this year. X-Men would do well with or without him. He's not someone like Hugh Jackman by any means.
shareFassbender is a great actor but he forsure isn't the star of the X-Men franchise, that's Hugh Jackman and when Jackman leaves Ryan Reynolds will carry the franchise. I don't know how accurate the survey was but a survey of films and actors was done last year and it said that people were less likely to see a film if Fassbender were in it. And despite good reviews and decent marketing Steve Jobs couldn't even hit 10 mil in it's wide release weekend. Even Chris Hemsworth's non Blackhat movies have hit 10+mil opening weekend.
shareThat's why it was Fassbender who was promoting all recent X-Men movies in various contries, alone many times? That's why they were putting him in the center of all the posters (http://www.joblo.com/timthumb.php?src=/posters/images/full/apocalypse-destroy-poster.jpg&h=600&q=100, https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMjU1ODM1MzYxN15BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwOTA4NDE2ODE@._V1_UY1200_CR91,0,630,1200_AL_.jpg, http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/xmenmovies/images/3/3c/X-Men_First_Class_poster_2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110814025614,
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/1d/e1/04/1de104ac6b48847287e10f46153dfcb1.jpg, http://mtv.mtvnimages.com/shared/media/images/acovers/standard/dra900/a905/a90591mepyo.jpg). That's why he was given such a large amound of screentime in every three films?
It seems like you comment is a biggest joke of the year. Fassbender was the star of these movies.
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Ok I'm confused. You're saying it's not a video game movie,but that it's based on the games. Does that not qualify as a video game movie? I get what you're saying that they're not treating it like a video game movie,but as a movie on it's own,but people are still gonna look at it as a video game movie.
shareThere is a word: formally. Formally this is a video game movie. Like The Dark Knight was formally a comic-book movie. Get it?
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None of these names was ever in the same league of quality as Fassbender, Cotillard, Irons and Gleeson.
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Wow, you've got some chutzpah making such a claim since you weren't even around when some of those actors were in their prime. Also newsflash, Michael Fassbender might be known as Magneto from the more recent X-Men films but he's actually not really a box office draw. At least not enough to help the movie compete with Star Wars anyway.
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Weren't around where? On IMDb boards? I've registered here three years ago, so it's not much of a surprise. But I was into film industry for many years before, and though I didn't see the era of Mario Bros people, I've seen the era of Jolie and Craig. And besides Bond, Craig was never a huge name. Jolie yes, but she can hardly be called a woman who can pull the film out only on herself in the leading role, though she had some. Fassbender is not only known for Magneto, if you don't remember, he also starred in 300, Prometheus, Inglorious Basterds, for which he's also VERY known, and even his more auteur films like Shame or 12 years a Slave or Jane Eyre are one of the most known auteur films out there. And even Macbeth is so much known thanks mostly to his and Cotillard's names in the cast.
If Fassbender wasn't box-office draw, then no one would write his name with big letters at the top of the Assassin's Creed posters, which they usually do with actors which attract the audience to the theatre.
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Weren't around where? On IMDb boards?
Not on these boards, I mean that you weren't around or too young to remember when Bob Hoskins was in his prime.
Fassbender is not only known for Magneto, if you don't remember, he also starred in 300, Prometheus, Inglorious Basterds, for which he's also VERY known, and even his more auteur films like Shame or 12 years a Slave or Jane Eyre are one of the most known auteur films out there. And even Macbeth is so much known thanks mostly to his and Cotillard's names in the cast.
All movies which I've heard about but never really seen. Macbeth might be known within the film industry but I've never heard about it until recently when I looked up Justin Kurzel, given that he's the director of Assassin's Creed. I don't think that a lot of people know about it either, I mean, according to this, it only grossed $13 million internationally in the box office:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=macbeth15.htm
It probably has a niche audience but it doesn't look to me like the audience is very big.
If Fassbender wasn't box-office draw, then no one would write his name with big letters at the top of the Assassin's Creed posters, which they usually do with actors which attract the audience to the theatre.
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So? Fassbender has his fans but most of them know him from X-Men. share
Maybe it's true, but what about the others?
Never really seen? Oh, you've lost very much, if it's true. But I can't actually believe... you've never seen either 300, Prometheus or Inglorious Basterds? Really?
Macbeth wasn't supposed to be a huge commercial hit, it was art-house, actually. It was listed as art-house in cinema listings, and it's primary genre is drama. You can't really expect such a film to be a huge commercial success, and everyone understands it. Otherwise Kurzel wouldn't get the job on such a production like Assassin's Creed with a buget of $200 000 000, right?
I'm speaking of, which amount of attention Macbeth got, even if it's not so much comparing to loud blockbusters, is because of Fassbender and Cotillard's names. Justin Kurzel, though being magnificent and talented filmmaker, was known only in cinephiles's rounds those times, so his name could hardly be the reason of commercial success. So yeah, it was Fassbender and Cotillard. Alongside Shakespeare, but less so, because people this days are not exactly willing to go to this kinds of movies.
Gosh, his fans already know that he's starring in it for a long time! What's the point to write his name at the top of the posters for his own fans which are monitoring his life and work every day? Jesus.
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Fassbender is known for playing the younger version of one of an older actor's signature role, he's not a draw in any sort of role yet.
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Disney has pulled *beep* off but this movie is still getting released at the same time as Star Wars so Disney doesn't even have to try.