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Could not finish a quarter of the movie. It's that bad.


I went into this movie with no information and no knowledge About the movie. I've seen this movie advertise On IMBD a lot and went on that. I didn't know it was a Shakespeare's play. I only know a few of his work and this one I was clueless about but the name sound familiar after hearing it now a few times.

My biggest problem with the movie is the old time dialogue With the modern/today surrounding. It does not work at all and you can tell that the actors didn't seem serious about the role. The director try to make it feel older by making it black and white but what he does not understand is that it made it cheesy and does not help it at all. Color would have work fine or enrich the color instead.

Just wish I can get my dollar back at RedBox.

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I finished the whole movie; It's that good.

The dialogue works well with the setting. The actors hit the comedy and drama bits well, in particular Amy Acker. You can tell they took it serious.

The black and white wasn't to make it feel older but to save time and cost and focus on the story and acting. It makes the blend of Shakespearean dialogue and modern setting much smoother.

Color would have worked fine, sure. But why waste time and money for "fine"?

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I believe you will find that filming in black and white is not cheaper than color. Whether Joss used it as an artistic flair or to hide that it was his home and not an Hollywood set I haven't a clue. Either way you are right & it was the best choice for this movie.
I agree with you about Amy. I believe this is her finest performance yet. Just excellent in every regard!!

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Actually, he specifically said it was cheaper to film in black and white. They don't have to worry about lighting everything just right or repainting sets and props. All of which saves time and therefore money.

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I apologize for being incorrect. I was going with just the concept of b/w vs color but not thinking about lighting. That makes sense. I appreciate the info.

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I agree. While digital is digital, making the recording monochrome prevents the need for meticulous lighting and color grading in post production. Since time is money, this was a frugal decision.

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Amy Acker was just godawful! She has utterly no ability to speak the verse, but uses whatever inane cadence pops into her head. The play is written in iambic pentameter for a reason.

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Ummmmmm. . . .Since Much Ado About Nothing is one of the few Shakespeare plays that is not written in verse, your complaints about Amy Acker's apparent lack of iambic pentameter speaking ability is really rather moot.

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BURN......

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It's like people believe everything he wrote was in verse; though it is easy to make that mistake.

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You're absolutely correct. I feel like so many people just repeat things they heard with no thought given to what they are actually saying.

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"The old time dialog " is that of our greatest writer Shakespeare! Once you take his words away you are left with a regular love story. Perhaps you should try Kenneth Brannagh's version so you won't be worried about it being set in modern time. Your opinion you are entitled but I believe you know little of this fine movie and less of it's play.

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1) I doubt you even know "few of his work" because I assume you just know the names of Romeo&Juliet and maybe Hamlet...Much ado is one of the most reknowned of his comedies and the basis of 60% of today's rom-com's.
2)It's not "old time dialogue" you idle! It's the language of Shakespeare! The art of love! of wooing...!
3)The actors "didn't seem serious"??? WHAT? They did a marvelous job and I dare say Don John was a much greater fit than keanu reeves in Branagh's 1993 adaptation. Amy Acker and Alexis Denisof were extraordinary in my opinion!
4)The b&w coloring was Certainly Not used to "make it look older"...That is just silly (pardon me). The direction was elegant, plain and enriched the magic ,for me at least...

Anyway...my apologies if I came on too strong. it's just that I sincerely adore Shakespeare's work and I am a loyal Whedon fan so this movie for me was.....in one word HEAVEN:) Cheers!

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For what it's worth, judging by the grammar in your post, English doesn't seem to be your first language. I've read many of Shakespeare's plays and performed a few of them, and even I occasionally have some difficulty fully comprehending it when it's read at a quick pace, so I can't imagine how bewildered you must have been trying to watch this. But that's really not the filmmaker's or cast's fault. Just because it's not what you were expecting (I'm amazed that you had never heard about one of History's most famous writer's most well known plays) doesn't make it bad.

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Agreed, Even Joss Wheaton couldn't save this stinker of a story. People bow down and worship their secular humanities deity, Shakespeare, but lets face it, this film made only 4 million and was a huge bomb. Shakespeare is irrelevant to today's society and only literary snobs keep his painfully boring works alive.

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I love it when people are proud of their ignorance and lack of education. It makes me proud that I went on to graduate from a university.

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I've somehow managed to love Shakespeare without paying someone to teach me to.

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Not everybody is a fan of Shakespeare, I get that and you're entitled to your opinion on that (even though I think you were a little nasty towards people who enjoy his work). But who exactly said the movie was a "huge bomb"? If you are going only on that the movie made $4 million, your opinion is a bit misguided. The movie was shot at Joss Whedons home, in 12 days and while Joss hasn't said what the exact budget was it has been stated this was a micro-budget film. Also it was only played on max 200 screens. This isn't The Avengers where it's played on 4,000+ screens.

On its opening weekend when it played on only 5 screens, it made $180,000. It also broke the box office record at New York's Lincoln Film Center Society Theater in that weekend. For a micro-budget, indie, Shakespeare movie this is all pretty damn good. That 4 million isn't even accounting for DVD/Blu Ray Sales, rentals and On Demand purchases. So can I ask again, what exactly makes this movie a "huge bomb"?

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I watched the film since I thought it was going to be good but instead found the film hard to sit through.

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The best part of the movie was the acting. I really liked how the actors were spot on with the emotions of it and the dialogue. Unfortunately, I just wasn't able to follow it because of the language. Strangely, I saw Hamlet with Mel Gibson years ago and was able to follow it for some reason. Maybe I was just in the right frame of mind at the time. Shakespeare has always been difficult for many people to get because of the huge difference in the language. It's almost like watching a foreign film. I don't think there is something wrong with a person if they don't get or don't adore everything Shakespeare.

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Oh, I actually found the opposite. I found between the acting and the great set that I barely noticed the language after about 5 minutes in. Much Ado About Nothing has always been a favourite so I admit to a bit of a bias.
I don't think there's anything wrong with not adoring Shakespeare but...don't go to a play/film and then complain the language is antiquated and not expect a few jeers.

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I've seen WS plays from time to time. With movies I turn on the subtitles. Helps a lot.

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To be honest I am University educated and even I find some of Shakespeare's work overrated. I think there is far too much emphasis put on his works in the Uk School curriculum and it really cheapens the contribution of the 20th century Poet's and novelists to the litary cannon. I enjoy their work more and even some of the Romantics more than I do Shakespeare, to suggest that it better simply because it is older and established is a bit ignorant.

I have studied Much Ado so Iam familiar with the story.

I was going to wait until the Blu ray/dvd is reduced as I think both Amy Acker and Alexis Denisof are criminally underrated actors and Joss is directing so I know I will most likely enjoy it.

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I think the word you're looking for, oh great educated one, is 'canon'. The problem with pushing 20th century "Poet's [sic]" and novelists is that nearly all of their works are derivative of Shakespeare. Why learn from the student when you can learn from the master? It has nothing to do with being older or more established directly and I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with ignorance.

But, at least you accept that you will probably enjoy it.

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The film made 5 million dollars from a budget of about $100,000. And it managed to do this with barely any advertising. The film is critically acclaimed with about 84% on RottenTomatoes despite it being filmed in 12 days. That's, objectively, an overwhelming success. Try to do a little research before spewing complete nonsense.

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"Shakespeare is irrelevant to today's society and only literary snobs keep his painfully boring works alive."

That bit of profound criticism is one for the ages, yet it has somehow been overlooked by those benighted hordes who worship the "deities" of the "secular humanities" (whatever the heck THAT means). Poor deluded fools! They just do not seem to realize how insignificant Shakespeare is supposed to be, especially in the eyes of those dolts who haven't got a clue as to what "his painfully boring works" are about. Still, as one of those clueless idol worshippers, I confess this film only came alive for me at mid-point, when the plot thickened, the direction tightened-up and the line-readings improved. I was disappointed at first because the film was shot in black-and-white, but I soon adjusted to the lack of visual color and concentrated (as Shakespeare intended) upon the verbal hues. The major actors delivered Shakespeare's lines as though they actually understood what the words meant. The subtle and blatant bits of "business" which accompanied the speeches indicated that the director "got the meaning" as well. The lesser characters (Don John and "the clowns" excepted) were portrayed by less skillful actors, who tended to garble the words and add unfortunate inflections. This led to an irritating number of rewinds in an attempt to decipher their lines. (The actors playing Borachio, Conrade and Margaret were among the chief offenders). The comic scenes were laugh-out-loud funny, thanks to inspired direction and the comedic skills of the actors . (The Dogberry/Verges scenes, along with the two eavesdropping sequences, were masterful in design and execution.) By the time I reached the aborted-wedding scene, I was thoroughly hooked. Kudos especially to Fran Kranz, who conveyed so beautifully the uncertainty, disillusionment, and ultimate penitence of Claudio. In fact, the accusation scene was well acted by all, and the film became a joy ride from there to the end. The final scene contains the song-and-dance coda which works so well in Royal Shakespeare Company productions and is no less enjoyable here. All things considered, I gave this film a solid 7, verging on 8.

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Could not finish a quarter of your post. It's that bad.

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I just heard about this film and was interested... until I read all the sh*tty posts you people replied with. People are entitled to their opinion. Most of you pasty pansies couldn't change the oil in your own vehicle but we're all supposed to be impressed that you have a vast knowledge of 400 year old fictitious entertainment. It's a *beep* movie. You're not supposed to have read the play and seen the other versions of the story to appreciate it. That would make it a Film. Joss Whedon directs *beep* children's programming so I don't know why all you people are running to his defense like he's an Heir to the Throne. Using the original dialogue took about 50% or the work out of actually making the film. It's a remake. Remakes are usually sh*tty. Just because you people are all part of the cult of Shakespeare doesn't make you the authority on talent in cinema.

I'm not going to watch this film, in fear that I may enjoy it and turn into one of you boring tea sipping *beep*


OP has valid points as a consumer. You sensitive poofs just don't like it when someone questions what you consider to be "sacred"

PS. Shakespeare didn't write for Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Try not to take it so personally.

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Since you haven't seen the film, we'll give your opinion all the consideration it deserves. Thanks for letting us know you're so weak willed that there's a real chance watching a movie will turn you into a "boring tea sipping *beep*".

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Hey Dan, you know anyone who checks out your board activity can see you're psychotic. You're not supposed to spend 9 years flamewarring in IMDB forums. Try to limit your ignorance to one reply per thread... or just kill yourself. You obviously don't have anything to live for

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Don't be a douche.

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It's not a remake, it's an adaptation. Try to keep up.

Sorry, but a show with murder, torture, and sex is not children's programming. Unless you had a very weird childhood.

Using the original dialogue does not take away "50% or the work." Unless you think theater performers aren't working hard. The actors still have to interpret the meaning and tone. They still have to memorize the words. And give the right performances. Using the original dialogue took away about 1% of the actual work.

P.S. I can change my oil just fine.

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If you geeks can recite this crap from memory I'm sure real actors are familiar with the material, so no, I don't believe they had much trouble memorizing the lines. In fact the whole movie seemed like a bunch of white bread WASPS reciting Shakespeare while making goofy faces. The dialogue needed subtitles to make sense, unless you've already been force fed this crap and know what's going on. I don't, and wouldn't want to. You people occupy a very non-exclusive club of lonely pseudo artists who are at such a loss when it comes to recognizing actual talent, that you worship works that are nearly half a century old. It seems it's almost a religion to you folks. Trained to worship at the altars of your fathers.


"Cabin in the Woods" was a decent movie. I hated the avengers, and his TV career seemed to be targeted at homosexual teens and women. Not interested. He can keep making Disney films until his hair turns grey for all I care but I'm not impressed. Popular culture is defined by the masses. The idiot, uneducated, consumer, middle American masses. His biggest film was "The Avengers" which had no plot. It was CGI Porn turned into a toy commercial. If that's what you're into, then I have no recourse but to wish you the best of luck. I'm sure you thought "American Hustle" was a great movie too.

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This from a troll who, lest we forget is so weak willed a movie could turn him into a "boring tea sipping *beep*".
I'm not sure why he's worried. It appears he's long past the need to worry about becoming boring.

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I was defending the OP. You queens were trolling him.

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I was defending the OP. You queens were trolling him.
Actually, you were attacking people who liked the film. A film you haven't seen, by the way.

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The thread you're currently replying to says this movie sucks, yet I didn't start it, so you're incorrect. My reply was in defense of the author. Don't tell me what I'm thinking jackass

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The thread you're currently replying to says this movie sucks, yet I didn't start it, so you're incorrect.
What the original post was about has nothing to with the fact that you've come here attacking people who like the movie. In other words, I'm not incorrect.
My reply was in defense of the author.
You haven't been defending the author, you've been attacking people who like the film. Here are some good examples:

Most of you pasty pansies couldn't change the oil in your own vehicle...

...anyone who checks out your board activity can see you're psychotic.

You people occupy a very non-exclusive club of lonely pseudo artists who are at such a loss when it comes to recognizing actual talent...
Don't tell me what I'm thinking jackass
I'm not telling you what you're thinking, I'm telling you what you're doing. Do try to keep up.

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Clearly, you missed the point. It's not just about memorizing lines. You have to understand the meaning, the tone, the cadence. It's not as simple as repeating what's on the page.

I was never force fed Shakespeare. I read it on my own for fun. Sorry if it's too complicated for you, but neither the actors, nor director felt the need to dumb it down for the audience.

I hate to break it to you, but Shakespeare is a little more than "half a century old."

Sorry if you're offended by homosexuals and women. That must make for a very lonely existence. Besides, people who think that have obviously never watched any of his five shows.

He's not in showbusiness to impress chris-mayne-1. He's in it to make way more money than chris-mayne-1 will ever see.

P.S. I haven't seen American Hustle, but if you think it sucks, then it must be great.

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"Sorry if you're offended by homosexuals and women. That must make for a very lonely existence. Besides, people who think that have obviously never watched any of his five shows."

Right on! This guy sounds like someone who didn't "get" BtVS and never bothered to watch any of Whedon's other shows. Defending someone who "wants their dollar back from Redbox" is a waste is his time and ours.

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Seems like you had plenty of time to waste on Valentines Day... what a shock.

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How slow are you if you think you need plenty of time to type three sentences?

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So slow, he does not even look up actor's names when he writes reviews XD

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I know I'm late to the game on this one, but I was perusing the message boards, and just wanted to point out the discrepancies in your posts. In your preceding posts, you imply that only well-educated snobs enjoy Shakespeare, "Tea drinking -bleeps" is how I believe you put it, who are less superior to you, and your vast knowledge of cars and the process of changing oil. That's fine, whatever, to each his own opinion. But then you say that pop culture is defined by the masses, of uneducated, consumerist, middle americans.

Please make up your mind. Are you trying to belittle the pretentious intellectualists, who enjoy this film and Joss Whedon, or show your superiority to their common idiotic sensibilities? I'm really starting to get confused....

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