The cam is recording him masturbating and that's what his mother gets to see at the end. But how does she know what he was masturbating to? How do the hackers prove it? The connection is missing. Once the computer is hacked they can put anything on the hard drive - which doesn't prove anything.
shareBut how does she know what he was masturbating to?
How do the hackers prove it? The connection is missing.
Once the computer is hacked they can put anything on the hard drive - which doesn't prove anything.
Looking into it, yes it seems the ISP could give police details of any IPs (which sites he'd visited) Kenny has visited, so if they were happy to use info provided to them by internet trolls who had directed armed robberies and 'to-the-death pedo fights' to happen, he would get caught and couldn't lie his way out of it.
But although watching child-porn is a very bad thing... that 'blackmailing people to commit armed robbery and fight each other to the death' must be a bit illegal and immoral too...
You do know if they can hack they can also remove trace.
Despite all this the "hackers" are supposed to be normal people. Read what people say on fb about pedo's and you'll find many of them saying kill them etc. It's a reflection on society.
You do know if they can hack they can also remove trace.
Have they found any of the anonymous group?
shareBut although watching child-porn is a very bad thing... that 'blackmailing people to commit armed robbery and fight each other to the death' must be a bit illegal and immoral too...
It was only the kiddie-porn guys who fought to the death... the others went through all their trials only to have the stuff released anyway. Whole thing seems a bit pointless to me, to kill one guy who'd jacked off to kiddie porn on the net and have the other one arrested. The hackers are no better than the people they humiliate.
It's too cerebral! We're trying to make a movie here, not a film!
That's the point, though.
Poop? Poop.
But how does she know what he was masturbating to?
She did. She clearly stated that "they're saying it's kids".
These 'justice trolls' not only exposed him masturbating but what he was masturbating to.
What I was trying to say was: I wouldn't believe some people I don't know, that my kid is watching child pornography. And the mother buys it right away?
As I said, the camera is pointing at him. There can't be anything else on the video - unless theres a (black) mirror behind him. ;)
This is how I reckon the trolls could send out 'proof' Kenny was masturbating to children. Show the video of him masturbating to his contacts. Have some text say 'This is your friend Kenny masturbating. But he's doing it to children. We can't show you what he's watching for obvious reasons - but here is a list of his browser history and web searches we have obtained from a virus we installed on his computer. Still skeptical? Well you will soon see we are telling you the truth as we have handed all this over to the police, and you will find out soon enough when Kenny is arrested and charged. Kenny is a paedophile.
Anon.'
That would probably be enough for people to believe iot probably was true and account for what his mum says at the end of the episode.
I think if they can hijack his camera they can steal a screenshot of what he's looking at, as well as digging into his browsing history.
For a while in the episode, I thought he was so unbelievably mortified of people just seeing him (from above the waist!) jerking it, and I thought it was hilarious that he'd rob a bank rather than let people know he touches himself.
Well yeah, that's how you gain sympathy for him. Everyone is thinking: so what, he jerked off. Literally everyone does it, why is he so ashamed? You're on his side because you think he's more or less innocent, only to be proven so very wrong when it's revealed what he was actually doing. Then you have to decide whether or not he deserved his fate.
shareYeah, I reckon you could find reasonable doubt on the porn thing. They'd nail him on the armed robbery though. Fear of embarrassment over being caught wanking can't possibly excuse a crime as serious as that.
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The trolls sent a split screen video to all of his contacts - on the left side was child porn pictures and on the right side was him spanking the monkey.
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Just because they didn't overtly mention it was a split screen doesn't mean there wasn't. They're subtle that way.
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Well, i just read an interview online with the actor who portrays him and he said he was. I'm going to go with that.
http://www.gq.com/story/black-mirror-alex-lawther-shut-up-and-dance
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The interviewer mentions it and he agrees with it.
THe whole point is he's a young looking guy with a really dark secret. IT'S about judgements we impose on people and the reactions of society on pedophilia as well as other moral sins. There is no doubt he was looking at it.
The show gives several hints, which make no sense when he is not a pedophile. First we see his interaction with the little girl and him staring at the painting, paired with his total disconnection with the collegues of the same age. Then we see his overreaction to his sister grabbing his laptop. Also he has big problems to admit what he has done, so it is clear it cannot be normal porn. Especially when he commits a robbery, which would be way out of proportion for something legal. Then there is the ranking. We know the racist delivered the car, the adulterer took part in the robbery, and the pedophile had to kill or get killed. It would not make any sense if his failure would have been less than the lowest one with the highest penalty. The other one even asks him about it, and he is unable to deny it. He even considers killing himself, which shows that he values his own life not higher than the pedophile's under the circumstances.
All this falls into place, when is mother phones him.
Don't forget the little hint when he is "confessing" to Bronn what he did and Bronn says that he shouldn't be ashamed because everybody does that. "Probably even the pope does it" clearly hinting at child pornography and the scandals in the Catholic Church
shareNo, he wasn't hinting that the Pope is a pedophile. EVERYBODY does not jerk off to kiddie porn.
He was only talking about masturbation.
Moreover, Hector had no idea, at any point during their interaction, that Kenny was a pedophile.
What I meant is that the show hinted at the real cause using that sentence.
It was one of the many nudges to the viewer like the first scene with the little girl's doll.
Sorry for the confusion, English is not my mother tongue.
The trolls sent a split screen video to all of his contacts - on the left side was child porn pictures and on the right side was him spanking the monkey.
"I accept the trolls may have been able to give details to the police which the police later confirmed with the internet provider, which could lead to charges - but that's not what the last scene shows."
The VERY last scene is the key. When they arrest him they haven't pulled their guns. That means they are arresting him for pedophilia, not the robbery where he used the hand gun. If it were the robbery then they would have used a different tactic.
Therefore the police rec'd enough credible info on the pornography charge to arrest him on that. They would then find at least the robbery money in the backpack.
The VERY last scene is the key. When they arrest him they haven't pulled their guns. That means they are arresting him for pedophilia, not the robbery where he used the hand gun. If it were the robbery then they would have used a different tactic.
The UK police do not carry guns, but in the case of an armed robbery would usually send an armed response team.Probably. But they're not Americans -- they're not going to pull a hundred guns on a guy who's just standing there posing no danger to them. Most likely there was an armed officer or two in that veritable fleet of cars, ready to act if necessary, and it clearly wasn't necessary.
Neither scenario seems to make sense then. Maybe the Director just didn't think it through. It is just a tv show.
shareI'm saying what they did do makes sense to me. I thought it was perfectly fine and wouldn't suggest any changes in that part.
"I know this ain't gonna sound good, but I just shot two people."
He was beaten and bloodied. It doesn't seem it would take long to find his opponent, or what was left of him. I assumed they either had or were planning to release video of the fight from the drone and everyone will know everything, from child porn to murder.
sharethey probably showed split screen with his webcam and his actual desktop. yes, he could argue that actual video was fake and he was jerking to regular porn, though ISP could prove what he visited and that it was not his first time
shareAgain, you think the trolls are going to be distributing child porn? Even if it's only one half of the screen? It's a more serious crime than viewing.
Do you really think the trolls who did this care one bit if their distributing child porn is illegal? And I would think with their tech savvy that they would be able to avoid detection anyway.
shareDo you really think the trolls who did this care one bit if their distributing child porn is illegal? And I would think with their tech savvy that they would be able to avoid detection anyway.
okay then
shareOkay but Kenny seems to be a minor himself, just getting his learner's permit, can't drive. In essence, filming him doing that is producing/filming child porn. Is Kenny a minor then? Cause that would make him a victim as well as a perpetrator which would enable him to get out of at least some of this. Though honestly I'd just confess if I were a minor. Still I don't see what really indicates he was looking at kiddie porn? I do agree that his reaction means he really REALLY had to be looking at something bad or illegal but I'm not sure if it was underage stuff? Just because it implies that at the end?
shareI used to support a call center for a few years and we had software that would simultaneously record the voice of the phone call and what was happening on the computer screen. It was used for training, quality assurance, and legal purposes.
I can't name any specific software packages that record webcam and the screen but there's no reason it doesn't exist as the earliest version of the software I mentioned above was from 2000.
So morals of the story: cover that damn camera and yank your doodle to those in your age bracket!
Well even if he's a minor its still illegal to view a minor.
The bigger issue I see is the virus came about from a chance theft of his sister on his computer (unless this was pointless exposition which would be even worse), than, it recorded him, an innocent at that point person for likely all hours of the day the computer was being used , and filmed him. Regardless of if he were guilty of anything they would have done this, and than these people see him touch himself, again, regardless of what was going to be viewed while happening.
I understand the point that was trying to be made, but honestly, the ending felt empty. The people who did this are far worse off of people than this kid was, or the guy cheating, but the show tried to get us to feel sympathy, than "twist" us by showing everyone was a criminal, and get them on our side because this was internet batman. but it was just really meh. idk, I expected better, I would have been happier if they were just trying to ruin lives, it would have atleast made sense, this just felt petty. love the series, but this is the worst ep to the point second only to nosedive.
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