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Some questions from someone who did not like it


I didn't get this movie at all.

Even if I got it, I don't think I'd like it much better.

Question time:

1. The girls shoots the pig guy. Or did she? Why didn't she shoot the thief? Wouldn't that be more justifiable since the thief was the one who infected her and ruined her life? Did the pig guy WANT to die?

2. The stones at the bottom of the swimming pool. What was that all about?

3. The mysterious sound which bothered the girl. What was that all about?

4. The little kids who harvested the grubs at the start of the film: What was their interest in the whole enterprise?

My score: 5/10 and I'm not sure it really deserves to be that high. I guess I liked the "look" of the movie and the photography, and some of the early scenes (with the thief) were good.

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Can't say I have a complete grasp of it, but really liked it. I'll take a shot.


1. She had no lingering psychic connection with the thief, and the inherent motive was to break the cycle versus revenge- she accomplished this by killing the sampler (pig guy). If the thief was still psychically connected to her, perhaps she would have gone after him. However, it was the Sampler continually entering her psyche and messing with her life by manipulating the pigs; he initially did this unsuspectingly to her, she was affected but did not know exactly why, until she was finally able to identify and target him, mainly I think due to her connection with Jeff.

2. Since this was accompanied by the Walden Pond reading, which was part of the brain-washing ritual by the thief, I think this scene shows her mind is still being controlled, she's still trapped in the cycle and while she is, will not have complete free will.

3. Don't recall this but it's been several weeks since I've seen it

4. Not sure they had any involvement other than to test the drug for the thief. he was observing their interconnectedness after ingesting the drug. You could say they were his guinea pigs.

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1. I guess so. I didn't quite get the ongoing connection between the people and the pigs.

2. But why the stones? Anything special there?

3. She was saying there is a low hum - no, wait, a high high - I mean, both a low and high hum. Get ear plugs!

4. I was just wondering how he kept the kids interested in the whole project when they should have been playing video games or whatever kids do these days.

Thanks. I still think this movie was about as enjoyable as studying for a chemistry exam.

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1. The worms were removed from the people by the sampler and transferred into the pigs. As a result, the people now become directly affected by the fate of the pigs and vice-versa. For example, Jeff and Kris' pigs break off from the pack in the pen, which mirrors them bonding in real life. At some point, Jeff and Kris sense something awry and the pigs try to bull their way out of the pen. When the sampler take their piglets in the sack, both Kris and Jeff freak out in real life. Real life and the happenings in the pen mirrored each other in regards to those who'd been infected with the worm.

2. I don't think so, it really could have been any obsessive compulsive behavior. As long as it was tied into the book Walden Pond, it'd be evident it was an aftermath from being in the thief's trance and essentially still not having complete free will

4. My guess is he prob paid them


lol...i gotta admit i didn't like it much when i first saw it, most of it went right over my head, but I went on the boards and got some insight into it. My second viewing was pretty amazing.

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Thanks again!

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Why didn't she shoot the thief? Wouldn't that be more justifiable since the thief was the one who infected her and ruined her life?
Look at it knowing only what she knows, not what we know. From her point of view, she has no idea the Thief even exists, and it makes perfect sense to her that there's only one person and he's responsible for ruining her previous life. We know it was a case of mistaken identity and it wasn't fair, but she doesn't get that at all.

Did the pig guy WANT to die?
I don't think so ...but I'm not too sure. My interpretation is he either had a heart attack after understanding she could see him, or she shot him after finding him, or both.

I am aware though that another interpretation exists: that he "finally realized" how his own activity was part of a larger cycle, and how some other parts of that cycle were causing extreme misery to a lot of people, and then "wanted out". I personally find that interpretation less satisfying because it doesn't seem to answer the obvious question: why didn't he just commit suicide.

The stones at the bottom of the swimming pool. What was that all about?
In 'Walden', Thoreau asks rhetorically how Walden Pond came to be surrounded by stones, and relates "... a story that the pond was the scene of an ancient Indian ritual that angered the gods, who sent the stones rolling down the mountain after them. The stones collected around the pond, and so the pond is named after Walden, a female Indian who was the only survivor."

It seems to me that although knowledge of the book Walden makes the film richer, it's not necessary ...except here. There doesn't seem to be any way to get this without knowing the book.

Also note there's one picture of her swimming at a weird time before being conned, so in a way it was a continuation of an old interest.

The mysterious sound which bothered the girl. What was that all about?
It was the sound made by the power pole we see. It had both a low component (the low hum at transformer frequency) and a high component (probably wind whistling through the attached wires). It led her to that location, where Jeff got a name off the mailbox and then found matching recordings. Although we don't see the details, a reasonable guess is that sound is part of how she located the Sampler.

The Sampler and Kris and Jeff are connected not only by touching their pig, but also by sounds (the sound-only connection is probably weak ...but it exists). We see this first where the Sampler is exploring sounds around his truck, Kris is first watching the giant flatbed printer and then sewing, and Jeff is hypnotically focused on the mail sorting machine. When Kris cuts the thread on the sewing machine, the Sampler acts like he heard a very distinct click -followed by the end of the psychic connection.

And when Kris and Jeff get near the Sampler's place, we see them in the same culvert sliding rocks down the sides the same way to enjoy the sound.

The little kids who harvested the grubs at the start of the film:
Kids are into experimenting, and often experiment with drugs. Those kids didn't have enough money to buy the drugs, so they talked the Thief into giving them his jar of reject worms, which they re-sorted and found a couple with the blue stuff that he missed. Note the kid's comment about how many worms he has to sort through to find a few that will make a usable tea.

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