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Scandalous justicfication and propaganda campain of Drone killing.


This movie is nothing but a "we are the good guys saving the world of terrorism" justification of extreme violence, psychotic behavior and flat out murder also justified by computer percentages.

Everybody has a heart and is emphatic, while images have leaked of the actual drone operators making bets and laughing about hitting "targets"

Lets not even start about real politicians who send 1000nds of men into their death while enjoying an 8 course dinner.

It made me sick...

The army attracts psychopaths and violence lovers, not people who cry when they fire a rocket.

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It's to add to the idea that there are good men and women who live behind the difficult choices and decisions that they are forced to make. Many military movies get funding from the military directly and they're not exactly going to go around wanting themselves to be portrayed as psychopaths.

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Many military movies get funded from the military directly(...)
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How about this one?Funded by the military or not?

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Drone killings such as the one depicted here are 100000% justified, and keep you safe in bed at night so you can live another day to post ignorant liberal nonsense on IMDb.

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the only attack ever on American soil was an inside job, you have noting to worry about.

and killing woman and children in a country 6000 miles away is in NO WAY justified

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I hate to burst your ridiculous bubble here, but the people you are so keen on defending want very much to kill you or at the very least destroy your way of life. Their way of doing so is by killing indiscriminately. Anyone who does not believe them when they say that that is their goal is naive to the point of being delusional, and severely lacking in a sense of self preservation.

Drone strikes may not be pretty, and there are some legitimate arguments to be had there, but they are at least a way of targeting carefully picked combatants with relatively little collateral damage in terms of civilian deaths, while keeping your own soldiers relatively safe as well. Not so for a suicide bomber, who's actual goal is to inflict the maximum amount of fear and casualties, often especially among civilians, while actively participating in their own destruction in the hope of a reward in the afterlife (of which there is of course no evidence, and which in any case may not consist of virgins, but rather of raisins, depending on which translation you believe).

And to add, anyone who still holds to 9/11 conspiracy nonsense should read up on what actual scientists, engineers and skeptics have to say about those matters (or, for that matter, what radical Islamists themselves are saying).

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Not so for a suicide bomber, who's actual goal is to inflict the maximum amount of fear and casualties, often especially among civilians, while actively participating in their own destruction in the hope of a reward in the afterlife (of which there is of course no evidence, and which in any case may not consist of virgins, but rather of raisins, depending on which translation you believe).


I certainly understand the terror and damage caused by a suicide bomber. I disagree that suicide bombers do this because they hope for afterlife sex. They are driven to do this for overtly political reasons and because they have no hope for a better life. By not truly understanding why terrorism thrives, we are doomed to fail at putting a stop to it. The more we bomb these countries, obliterate the economy, kill people's friends and families, the more we create people who have nothing to lose and who are susceptible to terrorist ideology.

The goal should be to take out the combatants while safeguarding the social infrastructure and the economy that supports it, especially in these areas where recovery from the obliteration caused by bombs--be they terrorists bombs or hellfire missiles--is bleak and unlikely. It also requires some respect for the people who are not terrorists, for their world and their belief system. What the terrorists believe and what everyday people believe are not the same thing. One other thing to realize is that killing these 4 or 5 terrorists is not going to put an end to terrorism. By the end of the film, the drone attacks possibly created two replacements.

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I certainly understand the terror and damage caused by a suicide bomber. I disagree that suicide bombers do this because they hope for afterlife sex. They are driven to do this for overtly political reasons and because they have no hope for a better life.

Obviously humans are complex creatures with complex motivations, and as you say, their political and sociological situation may make some of them more receptive to certain ideologies. But that can't be the whole story, and I think their religious beliefs do matter a great deal. For one thing, not all of these people are poor or repressed. A significant number of them are well educated, middle class citizens of western countries who have become radicalized by militant preachers. Others, like Bin Laden, are multinationals in possession of a vast fortune, a lot of which they owe to their dealings with the west. It's hard to argue that those people are angry with the west because they are poor and disenfranchised. A lot of these people, by their own words, are angry with the west not so much because we are rich and they are poor, but mainly because they feel that the west is interfering with their pursuit of the establishment of Islamic dominance and rule. For example, one of the main gripes about the war in Iraq was that they view the U.S. as being in collusion with the Shi'a majority government, whom they view as apostates. One of the first clashes with Al Qaeda was over the separation of East Timor from Indonesia - hardly a case of a rich western country oppressing a Muslim society. And of course, there is a broader clash of cultures here as well. It is hard to imagine a bigger cultural divide than exists between the west and extremist Islamic sects, and by their own words, these people really do despise western culture (which explains attacks against nations that have done little to anger radical Islamists in the way of political or military interference, like Denmark, Belgium and Holland).

It's also impossible not to anger these people and retain core values, like those of freedom of expression and freedom from/of religion. Draw a little cartoon, or write a novel, or say anything critical of their beliefs, and you will be marked for death.

EDIT: Just wanted to add something that I came across today while reading about the ideology of IS. Abu Omar al-Baghdadi once said:
“The rulers of Muslim lands are traitors, unbelievers, sinners, liars, deceivers, and criminals.”

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“[we believe that] fighting them is of greater necessity than fighting the occupying crusader.”
The text then goes on to emphasize that the main use of offensive Jihad employed by IS is against (the perceived idolatry and apostasy of) the Shi'a, and later it states
While “the Crusader forces will disappear from sight tomorrow or the day after,” the Shi‘a will remain “the proximate, dangerous enemy of the Sunnis…The danger from the Shi‘a…is greater and their damage worse and more destructive to the [Islamic] nation than the Americans.”
Now, does this make sense if this is really all only a reaction against western mistreatment? Although it is undoubtedly a factor, I think it's a stretch to think that it's the whole story.
In any case, it's an interesting read so far, so I'll leave the link here:
http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/research/files/papers/2015/03/ideology-of-islamic-state-bunzel/the-ideology-of-the-islamic-state.pdf

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I disagree that suicide bombers do this because they hope for afterlife sex.

I just wanted to get back to this. While I still agree with your assessment, today I watched this lecture by Tawfik Hamid (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwIbKdo9tmo), that gave me pause. In it, he describes his own indoctrination into jihadist Islam, and at around 12:31 minutes in, he stresses exactly this point. He notes that extreme sexual repression outside of marriage (on pain of eternal torture in hell) and the difficulty of finding a bride (paying for a dowry and a wedding, and a strong cultural taboo against students marrying), makes the vivid descriptions of the beauty of the women they will receive in paradise extremely appealing. In his words (13:15):

"I have to admit it; That both myself and many of my fellow people in the Jemaah Islamiyah were ready to die for Allah to go to paradise just to have sex there. And as I summarize it, we had no reason to stay here, and 72 reasons to go up there."


He goes on to make the point that one of the reasons (though not the only one) why most suicide bombers are Sunni is that the Shi'a have a form of temporary marriage (a "marriage of mut'a") that can last for only one or two hours, giving them a way of providing sexual release.

So, while it is a little glib to say that people are blowing themselves up just to get 72 virgins -there are obviously other forces at work here as well- based on this testimony, I don't think you can easily discount it as an important influence either.

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One other thing to realize is that killing these 4 or 5 terrorists is not going to put an end to terrorism. By the end of the film, the drone attacks possibly created two replacements.


No it's not going to put a stop to terrorism but it will stop those 4 or 5 terrorists from sneaking into a Western nation even like into Western Europe to plan out and carry a terrorist attack and/or recruit more radical Islamic extremists for their Jihadi beliefs!

If you are not willing to give up everything, you have already lost

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oh dear, i was going to give you the benefit of the doubt here, even with your histrionic thread title, but once you exposed yourself as a 911 inside job conspiracy theorist the only place left for you is my ignore list....

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"Drone strikes are super necessary to protect ignorant consumerism!"

So...you realize you just defeated the point you were clumsily trying to make? Rhetoric is not THAT hard, you know...



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Yup ! Totally agree !

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This movie is nothing but a "we are the good guys saving the world of terrorism" justification of extreme violence, psychotic behavior and flat out murder also justified by computer percentages.

Everybody has a heart and is emphatic, while images have leaked of the actual drone operators making bets and laughing about hitting "targets"

Lets not even start about real politicians who send 1000nds of men into their death while enjoying an 8 course dinner.

It made me sick...

The army attracts psychopaths and violence lovers, not people who cry when they fire a rocket.



You have to thank the United States Armed Forces and its great soldiers that protect you and your right to ramble and whine like a bitch. If they didn't exist, you would be tortured and raped to death by the REAL psycopaths in the radical muslim world and the rest of the terrorists world.


"Imagination is more important than knowledge" ALBERT EINSTEIN

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Hmmm...I actually agree with you on the fact that - Yes, our military protects us from geopolitical chaos. With America, we also have pure geography helping the matter as well...as well as copious natural resources. But, yeah, you can't easily discount the effect of a strong military to stability within one's state.

BUT...the OP is suggesting that, well beyond the need of assuring our own security, we are callously dabbling with the disruption of other societies.

I think there are plenty of folks on "both sides of the aisle" that might agree there.

Now, the OP is also being completely hyperbolic and hostile as well, which really does no good for anyone.

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The OP kind of has a point because of the setting this movie depicts. I mean this is a total nobrainer even for people opposed to drone strikes. Apart from the little girl there was no moral decision to be made here.
But in reality drones strikes often do not target situations like this. A movie critical of drone attacks would have depicted drones strikes in northern Yemen, where they targeted minorities that were opposing the fascist dictator.

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