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there is a important lack of massive true in this movie

posted 8 years ago by usa-mike
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hi,

i love the movie, i truly do love it. it is abviously excellent.

But, there is a partial judgement and it may look this movie like anti-war propagande movie.

there is an important missing of point of view : from the terrorist. The place is not a random one at all.

Why the movie did not show that the terrorist CHOOSE a public place where are a lot of collateral victims.
The terrorists did not choose to meet in a remote and desert place to make the exchange.

So, i believe the real trigger of the missiles is for the exchange and certainly not the general or UK-US army.

The movie fools-blur the mean of what is a reponsability and a direct responsability and a indirect responsability.

[–] featheredsun 8 years ago

Well...

We do see... at the end, the father and mother of the dying girl are assisted by a squad of Al-Shabaab militants, who dismantle their weapon to provide emergency transport to the family. As far as the doctors go, I don't think that militant organization has penetrated its membership into actual full hospitals, so I don't think THEY were Al-Shabaab.

The result of all this though, with the girl's death, may be the recruitment of the husband and wife. Maybe. From there, we can extrapolate some of the motives for folks joining an organization like this.

For perspectives of the common "terrorist", I think Captain Phillips does a stronger job. Crushing poverty and a pervasive sense that life is short and brutal may well be winning more hearts and minds than immediate family tragedies.

[–] raf-33 8 years ago

When the allies bombed Germany it did not turn their populace against us, it turned them against Hitler. The husband and wife will know how the daughter died, and why, but they won't blame the west, Al-Shabaab will blame the west, the family will know that the little girl died because an extremely dangerous, extremely cowardly group of people were trying to hide within their midst.

The father looked very rational, a rational person can generally be counted to do the right thing instead of the easy or obvious thing and won't impulsively join the first side that offers him a place. This is why teens and young 20-somethings are easily radicalised, they don't think rationally, but emotionally and are ripe pickings for any sick *beep* with an agenda.

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[–] jamotide 8 years ago

When the allies bombed Germany it did not turn their populace against us, it turned them against Hitler.

That is not certain, there are controversial opinions about this. In Britain the morale bombings of Coventry etc. had the opposite effect.
But what is certain, is that in this case, new terrorists do arise from relatives of drones victims.

[–] featheredsun 8 years ago

The film Zentropa deals with this a little bit. There WERE a lot of hard feelings after the war in Germany, and not all of them toward the Reich. Kinda like the antebellum South in the US. Some folks were glad that slavery was done and over (in that form, at least), but they kinda had a hard time swallowing the utter destruction of all their social infrastructure.

But, yeah, the father may be able to see that one group of bozos picked a really stupid fight, and his family paid the price. I'd imagine that would erode one's trust in ANY group going forward.

[–] Hagaxxx 8 years ago

Agree they use their own people as human Shields.....

[–] Dubdub1974 8 years ago

hmmm I see what you are saying BUT I don't think the movie is anti war at all, I think what the movie says is that they are no easy decisions in such a case, you have a choice between bad and worse. Not good or bad when it comes to decision making.

And of course from forever...tyrants of all sorts through the ages have used civilians as human shields trying to take advantage of the morality of their opponents...

[–] Kingsbridger 8 years ago

Basically the movie points out that blame for all this can be pointed everywhere, with the exception of the kid. The father was dealing with the bad guys, willingly or not. The militants were embedded in a neighborhood. The military wanted to get the kill in even though there could be collateral damage. The decision making was out of hand in an obvious situation where delay could cost many more innocents. The drone operators were certainly did not have the detached psychological profile to do their job (that's a fault of the movie really). I can go on but essentially ... this is a crap sandwich and everyone deserves a bite.

[–] pullgees 8 years ago

You kill innocents in these situations and you just create more terrorists who will strap on more suicide vests and kill anyway. So on this occasion you might prevent the deaths of 80 odd people but you could equally incite the deaths of many more in the future.
We should keep out of all these foreign conflicts, we only exacerbate the situation, drag it on, until the body count becomes horrific.

[–] usa-mike 8 years ago

when your leg is wounded by an un-illable problem (gangrene by ex.), you have to cut the leg higher (include unaffected part of the leg) to preserve the whole body isn't it ?

when a part of a world is threaten by sicke people you can't kill one by one, then you have to "bomb a entire area" (include inoocent people) to be sure the bad cells are killed isn"t it ?

similar situation...different point of view

in fact, if the killing of "innocent people" died in a military operation would be "silenced", could NOT incite the "creation" of vandetta/terrorist in the future.

but we are in a crystal media world where all is told to the world : the bad acts (to create good future) and the good act (to hide bad future).

Have a think of this last sentence...

[–] pullgees 8 years ago

The West's intervention in all the Middle East conflicts including Libya has simply led to chaos and the rise of ISIS. We are paying the price of destabilizing these countries and making a complete mess of the whole region. So much for cutting out the gangrene.