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Lilly was ? .................... ( SPOILER )


The movie was great, but the ending, when Lilly was taken away by Mama, is unacceptable to most of us. But someone gave reasons ( below ) that Lilly was all along a ghost, and the ending was perfect. I quite liked the reasoning, and therefore the ending, but is the reasoning right ?

Lilly was a Ghost

In the end, Lilly's body dissolves into moths like Mama's,which would indicate she was a ghost, not a living girl. Otherwise, she would have fallen into the water. This makes it very clear that she and Mama are made of the same "stuff": that is, ghostly matter.

The photos in the title sequence clearly showing the smaller child throwing up blood, the older sister looking sad, and then dogs or coyotes biting at the body of the child.

Lilly constantly oozes black stuff out of her mouth and eats bugs, and she reacts with fascination when she feels warm breath on her skin - then she tries it herself, like the idea of inner warmth is foreign to her.

Lilly could not have been a ghost

If Lily spent 87 days in rehab, we must assume that she was a subject of every test known to Doctors, so if she were a ghost, any abnormality should have been detected

The scene of Lilly shivering at the bushes make her look all to human



Darkness lies an inch ahead

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Lily’s body dissolving away seems like a supernatural occurrence. Mama claimed her “baby” forever, changing Lily into an entity like herself.

The opening drawings go like this:

1. The two girls sitting by the fire that first night.
2. The girls eating cherries as their first dinner. Mama provides them food.
3. The girls trying to sleep that first night.
4. The girls outside the cabin, frolicking with moths (the moths represent Mama).
5. Lily being attacked by two raccoons.
6. The two raccoons dead, presumably killed by Mama, the girls protector.
7. The girls looking happy, beginning to enjoy the forest.
8. The girls playing with the doll provided to them by Mama.
9. The girls on the roof, with Victoria reaching up, smiling. Flying the girls to high places is one of the ways Mama plays with them, as seen later in the movie, when Mama flies Lily around her new bedroom.
10. Victoria on a tree limb, surrounded by moths. Again, Mama is entertaining her.
11. Victoria flying down from the tree limb, smiling and accompanied by the moths.
12. Lily, looking happy, wearing leaves in her hair. The wreath of leaves show that she has fully accepted Mama as her mother. Toward the end of the movie, Mama again decorates the girls hair with leaves (they were also wearing leaves in their hair when the two trackers found them) to show her affection/parenthood.
13. Lily eating a rat. The rat's belly is bloodied, and Lily is tearing at its flesh with her teeth. If Lily were vomiting, why show her throwing up onto a rat? Why not just depict her throwing up onto the ground? Victoria is crying because she’s old enough to remember eating grilled cheese sandwiches and pizza, and is probably heartbroken that her sister can't remember civilization, and is so animalistic.
14. The two girls, both on all fours, with a decapitated rat. Both girls now wear leaves in their hair. Lily is smiling slightly, and Victoria looks a little disconcerted. Victoria has now also accepted Mama as her parent, and will reluctantly begin eating animal flesh as well.
15. Both girls on all fours, heading to the lake for a drink.
16. The two girls inside the cabin.

The black stuff around Lily’s mouth was residue from eating the moths. The moths seem to be like parts of Mama. Lily eating them represents Mama staying close to her and nourishing her.

Lily was fascinated by Annabelle blowing warm breath onto her hands, because the only mother she had previously known is a ghost, without life or warmth. A living, warm “mother” is foreign to her. Lily had not blown on her hands before, because, like may actions that children learn, this would be a behavior learned by observing and interacting with other humans, something Lily had not done in the past.

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"12. Lily, looking happy, wearing leaves in her hair. The wreath of leaves show that she has fully accepted Mama as her mother. Toward the end of the movie, Mama again decorates the girls hair with leaves (they were also wearing leaves in their hair when the two trackers found them) to show her affection/parenthood."

The wreaths represent sanctity...

The girls are consecrated.

The subtext of the film is all of a sacred character.


"Maybe it's another dimension. Or, you know, just really deep." --Needy

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Thank you for clarifying.

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Very interesting and insightful.

Volker Flenske: (While torturing David) I don't know why you're doing this to yourself!

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tlm557 writes: "Lilly was not a *beep* ghost; whoever said that didn't understand anything about the movie."

Be careful there.

There used to be another thread that discussed this in more detail. And while I don't buy it, I think it is certainly possible to interpret the film in this way...


 "Maybe it's another dimension. Or, you know, just really deep." --Needy

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I'm fairly sure that the film-makers did not intend that Lilly was a ghost, but I love these kinds of alternative theories.

They're fun to play with, to test out, to discover what evidence supports these alternative theories. We do not at any time have to make a decision on what is "true" and what "isn't", because NONE of it is true -- it's a movie.

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"I would glue noodles and prunes to my shoe
For one oozey spoonful of jellyfish stew."
- Prelutsky

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