I've been quite enjoying the series up until this episode. Miss Fisher's has tackled a series of social issues and made barbed comments on both the attitudes of the period and those of the present day. Framed For Murder I found seriously disturbing, in its treatment of the black supporting actor. He shows up first in a scene where he's whipped, granted for a scene in a historical epic silent film but still. He then shows up bringing chairs for Phryne and Dot, and stands behind them in quiet attendance. The last time we see him, he's wearing a shackle. I do have to wonder about this. Perhaps the show was trying to be provocative about racial issues without directly addressing them. Given the earlier episode where the murder turned on the race of the former owner of a skull, I'm shocked at the idea that the show could have been openly racist. I do hope that the series was doing this for shock value and commentary, and not because of any approval of the attitudes of the time.
I think she was "role playing" sexually at the end of Framed For Murder and I think he was just being polite by bringing the chairs to the ladies. I thought of it as more forward thinking that they showed Miss Fisher has no prejudice and every man, no matter the color, is fair game. I also thought it in the first season when she slept with the married Asian guy.
I also thought it in the first season when she slept with the married Asian guy.
It was an arranged marriage and the marriage hadn't actually happened yet, so at the time they slept together, he was just engaged to a woman he'd never even met and wasn't sure he even wanted to marry in the first place. (Actually, that's why he was happy to sleep with Phryne because he still considered himself a free man having no emotional or legal binds to Camilla.)
I think they were just having a sexual role play at the end of the episode and in-universe, I think everything between Phryne and the actor was consensual.
But I agree that showing him in chains in her bed was in very bad taste (especially given the first scene he was shown in being whipped for the film) from a production standpoint and as a fan of the progressive ideas in this show thus far, I was very shocked and turned off by that scene. If they were attempting some kind of critique on the sexual fetishization and/or objectification of POC, it was extremely unsuccessful because the only positive message I can find is that Phryne doesn't care about race when it comes to her lovers, but that's something that was established long before this episode. (Which reminds me, I wasn't overly fond of the Asian erotica book from an earlier episode either - I can't remember all the titles because I'm a new fan who just binge watched the first two seasons - because there are some problematic elements of that, but this was much more distasteful.)
I was a tad shocked too until I realized that Australia doesn't have the history of slavery that America does. That scene would be something very different to an Australian audience. Much the way Phryne's birthday on December 21 is Midsummer's Eve. I had to remind myself that they are in the Southern hemisphere so the seasons are reversed. I am a little disappointed that we didn't get to see her work her magic on him though. They both seemed so deliciously...spent.
I have to agree that despite Phryne's progressive attitudes, she was still living in post-WWI and somewhat influenced by the world at large. Before she became a private eye, she experienced French decadence (Sarcelle and Rene). In a way, she is a libertine. That she took a few steps into the bondage sadist masochist arena wouldn't have been surprising or shocking. Before Joys of a Woman/Emmanuelle (1957), there was Phryne Fisher!
Would Mrs. Bradley/Diana Rigg have done the same? :-)
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so how does christmas work in australia? i forgot about the reverse season when watching it. if midsummer is in december than christmas must be august?
Christmas is December 25th. Just days after the first day of summer. The reverse of Christmas in the northern hemisphere, when it is days after the first day of winter. Commenting on other posts, I strongly suspect Kerry Greenwood borrowed liberally and perhaps tongue in cheek from other sources like the Diana Rigg's Mrs. Bradley Murder Mysteres, the Murdoch Mysteries and Foyle's War (Murdoch Foyle?)
This whole snowy Christmas thing that people do in Northern Europe and in America is completely nonsensical. Jesus was born in the Middle East. It doesn't snow there.
One thing that we may want to think about is that how the weather used happen in a given area has been proven to be little guarantee that is what it will continue to be. In this 21st Century, most bets about weather appear to be off.
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Astronomically and meteorologically, seasons change based on the tilt of the Earth's axis toward or away from the sun. Honest question: does your reply mean that Australian law declares when seasons change? Sorry ... WAY off the OP's topic. :-P
I mean in Australia we don't count from the solstice or the equinox like everyone else seems to (according to calenders, at least) - summer starts Dec 1st, autumn starts March 1st, winter starts June 1st and spring starts Sept 1st.
I have no idea if there are laws, presumably it's a just a cultural thing.
Ah, that is interesting. I am in South America and we use the 21 as the day of starts. So, solstice (Summer begins here on December 21 and so on). But I was surprised for your comment because it would make sense for Phryne to talk about Summer solstice significance if Summer began that day. Perhaps at the beginning of the past century they considered the same than us, that Summer began with the solstice?
I have no idea when it started. We changed our money from pounds to dollars, and our measurements from imperial to metric, in the mid twentieth century. Perhaps it didn't come about until then.
I always thought it was weird that no one else thought summer even started until midsummer...
I came here to post my critique of this very episode, and I am SO glad that I'm not the only one who was shocked and horrified. I was seriously disturbed afterward and the more I think about it, the worse it gets....
What got me is that the black actor has absolutely NO identity or agency beyond being a "slave": The episode opens with him acting out a scene of being beaten as slave, and then when he next appears, he brings the chairs to Dot and Phryne while saying his only 2 lines in the entire episode--something like, "you can sit here"--and then oddly stands behind them, like the servant slave he was playing. He's never questioned about the murder, never volunteers information about the victim, and has no meaningful interactions with *anyone* in the episode. And then out of nowhere, there's the bedroom scene where he's not just in the bed with Phryne, but is CHAINED like a slave and never says a word or moves.
Moreover, but he is also literally a slave in term of power dynamics: First of all, he’s entirely dependent on her as the rich investor bankrolling his movie, while he’s a bit part actor who is likely more underpaid than most of the others, given his race as well as his tiny role in the film. Then you have the optics that echo a very dark history: the sexual subjugation of black slaves to their owners, the rich woman with her exotic plaything (the butt slap was the clincher there), and his total impassivity in the bed suggests him being nothing more than a sex toy. Yes, Australia doesn't have the history of slavery that the U.S., Britain, and France have, but still, the 200+ years of global history behind all of this isn't exactly new.
And again, his lack of agency: there is no conversation or any interaction between him and Phryne that makes him even a vague character--even the most banal pillow talk would have been better than nothing. This is notable to me because in most, if not all, of the previous episodes, Phryne has met her men through conversations and various interactions at varying depths—whether a random Russian dance partner to her heart-to-heart with the spiritualist who lost his brother in the war. In fact, I thought she was going to hook up with the Australian actor—they had a definite spark between them when she met him at her dinner party, and having HIM chained to the bed would have been smartly subversive—after playing the supposedly powerful movie star and the hero in the film, he would have ended up a "slave" to her.
This episode is particularly saddening to me, because one of the reasons I’ve loved “Miss Fisher’s Murder Mysteries” is precisely because of its notably smart treatment to issues of race, class, and gender that goes beyond “the 1920s were a racist and misogynistic time” to ways that resonate today. Among the many examples of this include season 1’s episodes 6 and 7, where she falls for Lin Chung and the show tackles issues of immigration, economic and social clashes between cultures, and how people defy racialized stereotypes. And in the 2nd season, there was the Aboriginal family who worked for the circus and the struggles of an oppressed people to succeed, and most strikingly, the episode immediately before this centered around a murder that was motivated by a medical professor’s fear that his eugenics research on race and intelligence would be discredited by the skull of an African-American woman who graduated from college. And overall, the show continually pushes back against racial, class, and gender stereotypes: her hiring of Ces and Bert as professional partners despite their differences in social station and her continual work as a feminist.
So overall, episode 9 was very disheartening to see and left a bad taste in my mouth for sure.
I wasn't disheartened. I never put Phryne on a Progressive pedestal. She has her tendencies towards progressivism. But that doesn't mean everything she does is driven by that.
Although the skin color is the focus of the argument, I think the other factors are more important: employer-employee power imbalance, and the lack of agency in the character on display.
The former persists in our society. It existed in her society and in her household. Her hedonism would therefore override any hint of revulsion at the abuse of such a relationship. Particularly if she sees from him a 'willing' participant.
The latter is the most troubling. I'm not certain if the writing, the shooting or the editing played a major role in the final portrait. If he was seen as an attentive employee of the film company, a handyman that helped out as needed, then his actions would fit.
Throughout the series, we've seen many portraits who tried to make the best of their situations. He would just be one of the many.
I was at a screening of a decent Central American movie. From beginning to nearly the end of the movie, only non-dark skinned Latinos and Latinas appeared. Then, boom, dark-skinned caricatures were shown that didn't add anything to the movie. I found that disturbing, and felt disheartened by the creators' actions. When I asked them why that little bit was conceptualized, they were oblivious to the insensitivity.
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I don't know if I've misunderstood your comment, but authenticism should never take a back seat to contemporary values. That's revisionism at it's finest.
I certainly agree that to portray the life and times that Phryne existed in would be hypocritical without a window into race relations in Australia. I believe that people of colour fared quite well in this TV show compared to the reality at the time. Moreover if I was a real Grinch I might mention that most of the stories and actors portrayed are overwhelmingly white, but I won't. Such was the world of Miss Fisher that the enfranchised upper crust had most of the 'fun' in the twenties and thirties.
I enjoy the show and find it refreshing that Phryne is such a progressive thinker ahead of her time. I'm glad it tries to shade a more positive take on aboriginals and other peoples without being preachy. I accept the show for what it is than for what it is not. After all it is about murder mysteries, not race relations.
So… If I understand you correctly Son-of-WRA, you're saying that if Gone With the Wind were remade, it should be altered to represent the beliefs and behaviors of this era and this age… yes?
Would you have the remake of Roots altered to reflect those changes as well? And, just out of curiosity, what's your take on the original Guess Whose Coming to Dinner starring Hepburn, Tracey and Poitier and directed by Stanley Kramer?
I'm only asking because I'm having a hard time finding a way to apply what you're saying to any number of period pieces that are distinctly unPC in both approach and delivery… and no, it's not a hostile question. I genuinely don't understand how authenticity or historical referencing gets discarded because our social structure has and is changing.
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"So… If I understand you correctly Son-of-WRA, you're saying that if Gone With the Wind were remade, it should be altered to represent the beliefs and behaviors of this era and this age… yes?"
My god, how is it possible you misunderstood the poster so badly? He was saying the opposite!
" I genuinely don't understand how authenticity or historical referencing gets discarded because our social structure has and is changing."
Uhm, by altering it to represent the beliefs and behaviors of this era and this age…
I have to agree with others here for calling this out. It was just dumb. This show has really stood out for trying its best to tackle the ism's that were very present at that time in Australia (and the world), but in still presenting a progressive stake in those issues. Our heroine is not just a product of her time, she has shown herself to be deeply critical of oppression in society, it is part of why she is so good at being a seeker of justice.
Now, either the writers KNEW that this would be provocative, or they could say they it unintentionally. I would say that the latter would not pass muster. It would take only a little bit of reflection to see that sexualizing a black man as slave for a white woman is racist.
It could be argued this is a role play that is consensual. There are debates within communities that explore sexual roleplay on how race can create horribly traumatic situations if not examined. I expect more from a show that has, it seems, tried to present a heroine that we can root for, because she is critical and just even in her time period. If they were going for shock value, it really was unfair to the many viewers who watch this show for the joy it brings in this kind of heroine.
This show has had the main cast be critical of things such as this before, and to drop that for this, just seems like a waste.
. . . or they were just trying to have some fun with their main character and her established traits. After all, she and the actor were flirting from the beginning, IIRC, so this was a logical conclusion. I personally found the episode boring and not worth a third watch, but that's all.
However, I find myself curious if people would still be offended if he'd had her in chains? Would it be racist or titillating? And if it's the latter, then people need to chill out. Not everything is an insult, not everything has a hidden meaning, sometimes a cucumber is just a cucumber, and making much ado about nothing serves no purpose but pissing people off (and yes, being both American and southern, I'm well-versed in the history of slavery, and I still don't see that scene as anything but what it was: a good time had by all). Sometimes I honestly think that people are looking for reasons to be offended, and in this case there is no reason for it.
Bloody hell. Being "well-versed in the history of slavery" doesn't give you the right to dictate what people are allowed to be offended by or not. A scene depicting a black person chained by a white one and in a position of submission is always going to be problematic, not matter how much you don't care about it.
Well, if you really think so, that is the racism. If 50 Shades of Grey is ok because the submissive is white and this scene is not ok because the submissive is black, that is racism. All races should be the same in all orders of life, and if Phryne and an actor wanted to have some fun playing "in character" I don't see any problem. Phryne is depicted as someone many men would want in his bed, so the actor probably had a good time with her.
I paid attention to the critique about her being his employer, which could be harassment, but I think the scene took place when the movie was already filmed, so technically he was not working for her anymore. So I give the show the benefit of doubt in that
Eyeroll. No it's not. You should look up the definition of racism and try to understand how it relates to power and History, mate. You're completely off the mark. This scene is not happening within some sort of cultural vacuum that would render it neutral in terms of its symbolism.
Let's pick up this discussion again one day when we cross into a twilight zone where black people weren't enslaved for centuries and aren't still victims of racism on a systemic level.
but that IS The point. If you think they can't play to be a slave if they want, you are the one making differences. People of all the races have the same rights to do everything, including having sexual fantasies of all kind.
Racism is believing that people of different races is different. That is nonsensical, as race only means some differences in the genetic frequencies. So no, think again.
It's S&M sex stuff. Would you have preferred the part go to a white actor? There is no slavery history in Australia, I think. Although Australia has a segregationist history with the Aborigines, I think.
He didn't have a name because the point was Phyrne's sex adventures. Not the secondary actors. Many actors in the series don't have names.
What? What would I need to look up, please? They were filming a movie about the Queen of Babylon. In the movie, the queen has slaves, one of them was played by the actor we are talking about. I see nothing bad or reprehensible in them taking some props (as she has probably paid for them) and do some roleplaying in her bedroom. It's make believe, he is not an slave, she is not a queen, they are just PLAYING: It's so difficult to understand??
Sorry,but I just find this utterly ridiculous. So a black man is kind enough to bring two chairs for two ladies to sit in, without being asked and you see that as racism. I call that being a gentlemen,unless of course your saying a black man cant be a gentlemen.
Considering that no one asked him to and no one asked him to hang around either. It's fairly clear from the look on his face as well as Phryne's,there is attraction on both their minds.
As for him being whipped,he was playing a part. Just like a black man playing the part of a slave would also be whipped,if the role called for it.
Shackled,lol I would consider it role playing especially since they were both in bed and the shackle is very likely a prop.
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