Cafe Society Much?


Is it just me, or did the trailer make it look EXACTLY like Cafe Society in both atmosphere and overall premise?

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There are similarities, sure. I personally am not much of a Woody Allen fan though, so I would prefer to see this over "Cafe Society".

The only reason I watch Allen's films are due to actors/actresses I like that might star in them, honestly. Beyond that, his works are not exactly my cup of tea. Though I did like "Midnight in Paris", and I do appreciate his dedication - at least one film almost every year for decades - that's impressive.

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I also loved "Midnight in Paris." Now THAT was a pure Woody film; one of his best. I wasn't expecting much from Owen Wilson, but he was the perfect choice. Three thumbs up.

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Came on here to say the same thing. But, I'll still give this one ago. It's got an even better ensemble cast than CS did.

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This movie was filmed TWO YEARS AGO, atleast a year before we even knew of this film (Cafe Society, I mean), or even Woody Allen knew.

As the title says.

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I've seen both movies. Way different.

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There's a lot of nostalgia over 50s Hollywood this year, it would seem. Not only Café Society and Rules Don't Apply, but Hail, Caesar! as well - which, coincidentally (or maybe not) stars Alden Ehrenreich.

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I had just drawn the connection on my own before seeing this thread. The two films' basic plots are actually quite similar, which makes one question the point of Rules Don't Apply. In effect, Beatty's Howard Hughes serves the same function as Steve Carell's deliberately bland and quotidian Hollywood agent in Cafe Society, and Rules Don't Apply basically turns out to be just another sentimental romance. Of course, unlike the Carell character, Hughes is an iconic, inscrutable, ambiguous figure—the stuff of myth and legend. But rather than representing a riveting character study, this mysterious, elusive, and nutty figure instead serves the purpose of lending melodramatic excess to Rules Don't Apply. One might even infer that Beatty imagined that in order to appeal to younger audiences or attain financing for the film, he needed to wrap Howard Hughes within this youthful love story.

Both Cafe Society and Rules Don't Apply constitute, in my opinion, disappointments from two senior directors, around eighty years old, with fabled Hollywood careers. Both films are strong technically, in terms of look and sound, yet they falter overall. Cafe Society is mediocre and suffers from poor casting. Rules Don't Apply features actors and actresses who actually fit the parts and often excel, and thus the movie enjoys some excellent scenes and splendid moments. Overall, though, the film is something of a mess. It does not flow well, and one senses that Beatty was trying to fit three hours' worth of material into a running time that slightly exceeds two hours. The two-hour movie plays like a three-hour movie, and in that case, he should have just made a three-hour movie that allowed the story to flow more efficiently and compellingly. Beatty tries to blend madcap comedy and fatalistic tragedy in Rules Don't Apply, but the two moods do not really mesh here and result in something less than engrossing. Often, the film lacks energy, but at other times it is too hectic. Often, the pacing is too slow, but sometimes it is too fast. Again, the casting for the main characters is effective, and the interplay between some of those characters makes for a riveting scene or engaging sequence here or there. There is some good stuff in Rules Don't Apply, but overall, the film limps and almost feels perfunctory—again, the Howard Hughes character study/biopic becomes just another melodrama and romantic restoration, with Hughes serving a structural purpose similar to that of Steve Carell's humdrum agent in Cafe Society. In the end, my feeling is sort of, "All that for this?"

I have found Beatty to be a very talented, enjoyable, and compelling writer-director: Heaven Can Wait, Reds, and Bulworth are all terrific. (I have only viewed parts of Dick Tracy.) But going nearly two decades between directorial ventures may have been too much for Beatty—Rules Don't Apply suggests that he is rusty. Within the film, one can see the old Beatty still at work, but he fails to bring everything together in a cohesive or dynamic manner.

By the way, to the previous poster, Cafe Society is set in the late 1920s and 1930s, not the 1950s. Hail, Cesar!, conversely, is indeed set during a similar time as Rules Don't Apply (although that film's period is actually a few years earlier, when Hollywood was still fearful of Communist infiltration in the early-to-mid 1950s). I actually thought poorly of Hail, Cesar! when I saw it the first time, but I went back for a second screening and enjoyed the film—it is a ticklish and competent, if minor, satire. A somewhat better movie set in that era was last year's Trumbo.

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Brilliant insightful comparisons....Thanks

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Here is my review of Rules http://dennis-brian.blogspot.com/2016/11/mr-beatty-has-made-one-of-his-best-films.html

I would say that the films are very different and have not much in common except their period devotion.

The leads in Cafe are much more cynical creatures. They do not completely admire the third wheel (if you will) as a hero and a genuis which complicates things.

Nothing tragic happens in Cafe to break the two apart. The couple in Cafe is fine with affairs and could easily end up together on a whim. The worst part of that is Blake Lively's character is much nicer and does not deserve the way she is treated.

Rules has a theme of legacy and the importance of children that makes it much larger and more poignant. Cafe has a few themes as well that never seem to come together.

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... glad that you found it useful, thanks.

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Though I loathe Allen personally, Cafe Society was one of my fave summer films. And Rules Don't Apply, despite the forgettably silly title, was such a pleasant surprise. Yes, in the same vein. Also memories of My Week With Marilyn and even Shopgirl and Waitress (for that 'small', compelling film, drifted across my mind. Loved the cast (minus the subdued Broderick who didn't quite seem necessary) and the ending.

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