'Its like saying you are just an ape'

Listen to what, your uneducated nonsense?

I'm not at a mental hospital here, so I'm not interested in it.

know your strawman arguments?

Admit it you are either a mental patient or a mental midget, which is it?










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That's right, a mental hospital is made of bricks and cement. Only your head is filled with bricks, so you're definitely not a mental hospital.

But if you were, I know just the patient you'd be housing....

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Here's the deal, Voltaire said, "If there's an argument about the reality of something, it's not worth arguing about, it's philosophy. Not one argues that water is made of oxygen and hydrogen".

Voltaire also lived in the 17th century and neither psychology nor biology are the disciplines he's known today for.
So who's the one presenting the "argument with no reality"?

In the case of this topic, the wiki page is just a bunch of philosophy. Animals do not communicate anything to us, because there's nothing there to communicate.

Animals do communicate, sometimes even inter-species.
http://blog.ted.com/2013/06/06/talking-with-animals-7-examples-of-inte rspecies-communication/
Also if that's any factor: The majority of human issues arise from failure of communication and lack of empathy.
In all reality it's humans that too often fail at communication, even with their own species.

There is not question if humans are conscious, because it is obvious.

Just because you think you are real, does not mean that everything you think is actually real. Cogito ergo sum is an highly introspect statement, which lacks any real outside proof.

You might consider yourself "conscious", but who's to say that your consciousness shares anything at all with mine? In the end we are all just stuck in our own heads, with very subjective definitions of "human consciousness".

But in the end there is no such thing as an "general human consciousness" which is in any kind or shape definable.

I said that animals are "robots" which means workers, which is really all animals do.

First: That's not the definition of a "robot", not at all. This is what an robot actually is supposed to be: "A robot is an automatic mechanical device often resembling a human or animal."


If those animals are "workers", who are they working for? Their own survival? So what are humans working for? I don't know about you, but i'm mostly working for food, shelter and medical treatment, survival so to speak.

If it's a mouse or an ape, they do the same things every day and never do anything creative.

The vast majority of humanity does "the same things every day", it's what's required to survive. And what do you consider "creative" in that regard?

Maybe art? http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20140723-are-we-the-only-creative-spec ies

Well duh.. these days we even manage to build neuron networks capable of "art": http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2533587/

Animals, mostly, don't even have to learn somehow they know how to build rests, mate, and everything they do is programmed into them. That's a fact.

Programmed into them.. by whom? How did we poor poor humans ever manage to get this far, considering schools and nurseries have only been existing for like a couple of thousand years to "program" us in a survivable shape?!

A type of bird will build the same type of nest as another of its type and it doesn't need to be around other birds to learn. That's an organic robot.

That's merely because there at not too many ways you can build a nest out of the same materials. If you'd be forced to build a sleeping place with only a couple of sticks and leaves, your sleeping place would look hell of a lot similar to those of other people building with leaves and sticks.

There is no human that knows anything about anything unless they learn it from another human. And, we don't just work, we are creative and expressive creatures. Humans are more than robots.

Humans are mere biological machines, just like animals. What you keep labeling as "consciousness", is for all purpose and effect the "spark" which keeps every biological machine going: A command system consisting of billions of neurons which keep on firing and the "spark" alive throughout the whole nervous system.


That's some basic biochemistry for you..

Also, we share nearly all of our DNA with creatures like mice and almost 100% with chimps, but they have almost nothing in common with us. We're basically all the same creature, but humans made a leap in intelligence that nothing else has.

"We" are all the same creature, but humans are somehow "samer" than the other creatures? That's mere human hubris and ignorance. As humans we often also don't have a lot in common with each other, in many cases humans don't even share the same way of communicating (languages). A problem not many other biological machines run into, at least with their own species 😋

But i guess i figured out your issue, are you by any chance religious?

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