6.6?


This site doesn't have much taste sometimes.

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Rather people. I'm afraid most of them prefers silly movies, the other ones like Immigrant is too ambitious and too intelligent for them.

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This film was really done well and gave a lot of insight into Ellis Island and New York for an Immigrant in the 20s. I thought it was very good and agree peoples taste on this site is very strange to me at times but that's what happens with a site that is worldwide so it's all good. Should have a better rating but I don't let that diminish a films value.

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it should've been 8,6 instead ;)

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This site is open to the entire world, so taste is bound to vary. As others on a different thread have said about this movie, viewer age is one factor. But what I have not read is chatter about distractions that a given viewer has at the time.
If someone is on a date, they may be more concerned about their next move or any thing else going on in their life. That can make a viewer miss nuances that are critical to a scene. There is no criteria for voting as far as I can find other than the spoilers policy.

I rented this movie without seeing any trailers or reading any reviews. It looked like a good story and I often look for non main stream or big block buster movies so I am not overwhelmed by the stars themselves. In this case Joaquin Phoenix and Jeremy Renner seemed to did just that, stand out as themselves instead of the characters. I am not saying they are bad actors and did not give proper dialog in some of the scenes. What I mean is that they didn't seem to be 1920s men, they seemed more modern and didn't pull it off like Guy Pearce did in Lawless or Ed Harris did in Places In The Heart.

I gave it a 7 because of the star vs character mentioned and not really having a happy ending based on all of the build up of suffering throughout. I did watch it a 2nd time with captions on and scrolled back on some scenes multiple times in order to give it a fair shake.

Just try to stay alive and see what the next minute brings.

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What I mean is that they didn't seem to be 1920s men, they seemed more modern and didn't pull it off like Guy Pearce did in Lawless or Ed Harris did in Places In The Heart.


Elaborate please.

I gave it a 7 because of the star vs character mentioned and not really having a happy ending based on all of the build up of suffering throughout.


What are you talking about? She did have a happy ending, she finds her sister and moves to California. How could you interpret that as unhappy??

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Elaboration for Felix: At this link you can see a photo of Guy Pearce as Charlie Rakes in Lawless. Guy changed his appearance to such an extent that you would see his character instead of himself the actor if you did not see his name in the credits. Both of my references came from depression era movies and are about a decade later. I do not have an Ed Harris in Places In Th Heart link.

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3029775360/tt1212450?ref_=tt_pv_md_2

Remember that I did not say anything was wrong with their clothing or surroundings that made them seem modern. That is the only way I can explain my thinking. Other actors often do face and hair changes to take away from their normal recognizable look. Like Charlize Theron did in Mad Max Fury Road.

It is a moot point because the movie is not going to be remade with different actors regardless of my or a million other opinions.

As far as happy ending, you inferred that Ewa and Magda went to California and lived happily ever after. What the film showed was the sisters in a sail boat
being rowed away from Ellis Island by paid off guards into the fog. Bruno lay dying or headed to prison regardless of his last minutes of showing redeeming qualities. It never said if Magda got cured of TB of if they made it to CA. And since it was expensive to live in NY and be treated, would it not be in CA? They had train tickets Bruno gave them but we don't know if they got jacked before they got on the train or was taken to a different place to work as before. The guards were corrupt, remember? They made have had to work in the same trade in CA as well, they did not have any relatives their either.

That why I say the ending was not really happy.

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Elaboration for Felix: At this link you can see a photo of Guy Pearce as Charlie Rakes in Lawless. Guy changed his appearance to such an extent that you would see his character instead of himself the actor if you did not see his name in the credits. Both of my references came from depression era movies and are about a decade later. I do not have an Ed Harris in Places In Th Heart link.


I admire the lengths he went for the character, but I don't see how this adds or takes anything away from The Immigrant. He looks too polished and stylized in this photograph, but in The Immigrant we are dealing with impoverished people. They don't have the money to spend on highly stylized outfits. Bruno would like have had a few suits at the most. Ewa didn't seem to have a great deal of clothes in her luggage. The reality of the 1920s was that people dressed a lot plainer than magazines and films show us. I know because my grandmother was born in the 1920s and her parents were immigrants. I've seen plenty of photographs and their outfits are nothing like you see in Hollywood films.

Remember that I did not say anything was wrong with their clothing or surroundings that made them seem modern. That is the only way I can explain my thinking. Other actors often do face and hair changes to take away from their normal recognizable look. Like Charlize Theron did in Mad Max Fury Road.


I don't really see how anyone "looked modern" in The Immigrant. In fact, I thought everyone looked period appropriate. Ewa was not overly polished, neither was Bruno. In fact, they looked like two ordinary people would have looked in 1920. I have pictures of my great grandparents and there isn't anything really definable about their appearance.

I actually think Guy Pearce looks like he walked out of a fashion magazine or a silent film at the time.

But that's my personal opinion and I agree that these aren't relevant to the discussion.

far as happy ending, you inferred that Ewa and Magda went to California and lived happily ever after. What the film showed was the sisters in a sail boat
being rowed away from Ellis Island by paid off guards into the fog.


Happy endings are never set in stone, that's my interpretation of a "Happy ending." We don't need to see the two sisters sitting in the sunshine with smiles on their faces in order to feel as if the two of them have succeeded. Furthermore, this is an Immigrant story and would feel awkward and unauthentic to have a fairy tale ending.

Bruno lay dying or headed to prison regardless of his last minutes of showing redeeming qualities.


He's not dying, there isn't anything particularly wrong with him. He had been drinking morphine for the pain so he was a bit disoriented. The pain was from previous being beaten by the police. (If he were suffering from fatal injuries he would likely be dead or unconscious at that point in the film).

I also don't think Bruno will hang for the murder of Emil because the witness who saw the event would likely testify that it was in self defense (Bruno is her livelihood). He will likely get more jail time for hiding the body than for the accidental murder.

It never said if Magda got cured of TB of if they made it to CA. And since it was expensive to live in NY and be treated, would it not be in CA?


Why do they need to? There was no treatment for TB at the time, so what were they doing for her there that couldn't have been done elsewhere? Realistically, places like CA or Arizona were desired by TB patients because damp, cold air (such as a New York City winter) exasperates TB. So the dry air may be exactly what Magda needs. Either way, she is better off there then she is in New York City. That's how I interpreted the ending for Magda. If she does die, it it will be with her sister and in the fresh sunshine. In the world of cinema, death is not the worst thing that can happen to a character.

They had train tickets Bruno gave them but we don't know if they got jacked before they got on the train or was taken to a different place to work as before. The guards were corrupt, remember? They made have had to work in the same trade in CA as well, they did not have any relatives their either.


Look...it's ok to not know things at the end of a film. As a film enthusiast for the last 20 years, I've begun to realize that the best kinds of films are the films that leave you wondering afterward. If the film had answered all of your questions it wouldn't have been as effective.

That's all I can really say.

You say there's a lot of tension that needs to be resolved, but I don't believe there's nearly enough to be resolved by a happy "fairy tale" ending. The ending they gave us was sufficient enough to resolve the story and leave us with a little something to think about afterward. Bruno's fate is not set in stone, but the fact that he desires to redeem himself is an epiphany for him. You kind of have to realize that no matter where he goes or what happens to him, he is a better man for it.

The same with Magda and Ewa, they are better because they are in a better place together.

The only film I can think that benefited from a happy ending was The Wind from 1928. If you ever have the chance to see it, I highly recommend it.

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Well we have different opinions. I was talking about Guy Pearce's face being changed, not his outfit. In my reply I said nothing was wrong with Joaquin and Jeremy's clothes. They looked too much like their actor selves as opposed to their characters. I could have cited others who do face changes for characters. Gary Oldman is another example.

As for the ending, I see your point that it was happy for Ewa because she was with her sister again. I don't need every film to end like a fairy tale, then it would be 1950s TV. My statement about maybe they got jacked before they got on the train by other corrupt officials or some general low life predators like who ever it was that raped them on the ship and caused the "person of low morals" to be added about them on the ships manifest record.

To me they were back at square one and the fog represented the gray area of the world. Here are two decent women with only each other headed out into a world of
hopefully more good people than bad. They could have had a one minute scene where they were on a train and it pulled into some CA station. Although that would not have exempt them from other advantage takers but would have shown something better toward her sister's TB situation.

As for the lay dying statement, Joaquin said he thought his jaw was broken from his beating by the cops. Yes, the opium made him woozy but a bone infection can lead to death. His corrupt Ellis Island guard told him they were going to have to be strangers due to the cops looking for him. So who is to say he would go to the cops to explain his side of the story and produce the lady who originally lied and said Ewa did the killing. Lawyers always point out people with motives that are questionable (or low morals like hookers and pimps) and someone who has already lied as a doubtful witness. Since we saw none of what happened to him, he may very well have faced a murder rap or died from infection.

My original reply was to the OP to help explain why different people rate movies differently from what they feel. Not trying to be superior or 100% right all the time, just conversation.

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Well we have different opinions. I was talking about Guy Pearce's face being changed, not his outfit. In my reply I said nothing was wrong with Joaquin and Jeremy's clothes. They looked too much like their actor selves as opposed to their characters. I could have cited others who do face changes for characters. Gary Oldman is another example.


I don't understand what you mean by his face...he looks like Guy Pearce.

I suppose this is more of an issue with the make up artist than anything, the characters are plain and ordinary people. Just like people would have looked back then. Marion Cotillard's make up is very natural looking, appearing as if her character isn't wearing any at all.

I'd argue Joaquin Phoenix looks a bit weary in this film.

My statement about maybe they got jacked before they got on the train by other corrupt officials or some general low life predators like who ever it was that raped them on the ship and caused the "person of low morals" to be added about them on the ships manifest record.


This didn't really seem likely to me, the police would have no reason to believe they had even left NYC. They would have no reason to stop that specific train.

Also, if Bruno is confessing, that pretty much puts them in the clear.

To me they were back at square one and the fog represented the gray area of the world. Here are two decent women with only each other headed out into a world of hopefully more good people than bad.


The film seemed to imply that Ewa and Madga escaped and it was now Bruno who was in that situation. So I'd say the film came full circle in a way, except that it really hasn't. Bruno has an epiphany and chooses to confess. He's not a prisoner, there's something liberating about his atonement. Very much like one feels after they have just converted to something, I suppose that's the only way I can explain it.

Either way you look at it, Bruno has promised to put them in the clear by confessing to the police.

They could have had a one minute scene where they were on a train and it pulled into some CA station. Although that would not have exempt them from other advantage takers but would have shown something better toward her sister's TB situation.


Why? What would be the purpose of this? It would redundant story telling. We know they're going to CA, we don't worry about them anymore because Bruno has reassured them that he will confess to Emil's death.

Also, the whole point is that this is a story about Immigration through Ellis Island and New York City. Most Immigrants ended up moving away from New York City after they landed on Ellis Island, but the story of their hardship is really about New York and Ellis Island.

As for the lay dying statement, Joaquin said he thought his jaw was broken from his beating by the cops. Yes, the opium made him woozy but a bone infection can lead to death.


This seems a bit unlikely, at the worst it would heal awkwardly.

And we would definitely know at this point if his jaw were infected and if he were in need of a hospital.

But this isn't even the point. the very fact that you are having these thoughts about Bruno's character, shows how effective the ending is. You want to know what happens to Bruno after the end of the film. You want to know whether he lives or dies, or hangs for Emil's death.

It doesn't matter what the police departments thinks or wants. What matters is what the jury, judge, lawyers, and court of law takes into account during the actual trial he will likely face. The police can try their best to skew his story, but at the end of the day he has a lot more going for him than that. But that's my logical perspective of the whole situation. What would really cement his case to the jury would be a witness reinforcing a murder in self defense.


Even a crime of passion wouldn't have necessarily lead to the death penalty back then. Most people who tended to get the electric chair did it for carefully thought out cases of first degree murder.

But in general, the point is that Bruno has atoned for his misdeeds. Whether or not he goes to jail or hangs isn't as important as atonement.

Lawyers always point out people with motives that are questionable (or low morals like hookers and pimps) and someone who has already lied as a doubtful witness. Since we saw none of what happened to him, he may very well have faced a murder rap or died from infection.


He may...but is that likely? Is that the most logical ending? He could theoretically die of pneumonia in prison, he could die crossing the street, or drown on his way back to the shore. He could kill himself later on.

Also, why would his Lawyer purposely argue against him?

The police department did not care for him, that's because he probably owed them money and favors. But a lawyer isn't necessarily in the same camp as the police. Neither is the court, neither is the jury. Just my thoughts.

If a witness says that Emil held a gun to his head, the case is pretty much over. Even the most corrupt cop or lawyer couldn't explain that away.

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That's fine since you have good reasons, but 6.6 means some scored it lower than 6, which I find hard to believe.

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I stronly agree with you.. It worths much more! and Iam surprised how some silly movies got high rates :/
Amy Atallah

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So what was stupid in the movie according to you???😕

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You shouldn't compare it to other films ratings, a lot of films are overrated on imdb in my opinion. There's not a film that I've seen I would give a ten or maybe even a nine. If I give a film a six It doesn't mean a think its poor. Most of my favourite films I give eights to e.g. Once upon a time in the west.

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I think 6.6 is pretty fair. I watched this and thought I'd really like it, because the setting, subject matter and period were all a bit different and it's quite a beautiful film... but I felt in terms of character and plot it was a bit unfocused.

Ewa seems to grow tougher and harder in her knew life and becomes quite clever with how she deals with Bruno as most women who survived her situation did in real life - so why does this apparent toughness evaporate at the end of the film? At the end of the film she is mewling and bawling all over Bruno, when he's telling her what the audience should have worked out a long time ago.

That's something that could have been foreshadowed if we had more insight into Ewa's character and motivation, but we don't. Marion Cotillard gives a good performance but doesn't have a lot of material to work with, frankly. Most scenes give her little to communicate other than "I don't like what is happening to me" which really is a given. It probably would have been a good idea to have more scenes of her interacting with the other girls in the troupe. Or some letters to her sister? Maybe they didn't include these because they wanted to make her seem more alone but I feel that still could have been achieved.

Bruno is by some way the best drawn character, but even he is undermined by the film's biggest problem. Orlando. A cynical man might suggest that this awkward hypotenuse of an incredibly wobbly love triangle exists solely so that they could crowbar a name male actor into the film. His role in the plot is definitely.. nebulous. Look at the threads discussing the character and nobody seems sure what his motivation is and all the assessments of his character appear to be more based more on projection rather than anything actually depicted on screen.

Orlando and Bruno's relationship is clearly meant to raise questions (of the mysterious sort) in the audience, but for me it just raised questions of the 'wtf is the deal with these guys?' type as their mutual hostility was strangely malleable. In the end Orlando was written like a plot device, but with no clear impact on the plot until the end of the film - but there are a LOT of ways they could have set the cops after them.

Also, Weinstein was right. The ending was very, very weak. Ewa and her sister getting out of Ellis Island in good health, with money and free to go where they want is a massively credibility-stretching outcome, and the decision to underplay it so much wipes out any emotional value it could have so it's a pointless exercise. The ending probably knocked a whole point out of 10 off the score for me.

Yeah, some good scenes, some brilliant visuals, much less than the sum of its parts.

I suspect the problem is that you have too many paperclips up your nose

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I thought it was sorta slow at times but the third act of the film made up for the pace as you got to see Bruno in a different sorta light. Film did a good job of making you feel more sympathetic towards him and making you understand him more so as a character at the end.

Marion was good, but I thought she kinda stayed in one emotion throughout the movie which took away from her performance due to the lack of range. Still thought it was a nice movie overall and sorta representative of a classic Hollywood film style that you don't really see that often these days.

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