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Last all white movie to come out of Hollywood?

posted 4 years ago by Redsfan001 (6144)
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Don't get me wrong, I love this movie, but it is highly unusual in several respects.

The first is the all white cast, I don't believe that a minority had a line in this movie.

Second is not many swear words, in fact less than a handful, pretty mild at that.

The third is just a theory and a bit more controversial. This movie was green lit to give a nod to the Trump voters and his fan base. Hollywood IS a business, they might never admit it, but half the nation did vote for Trump. This movie seems to have that demographic in mind and could be a factor in why it was made...a period piece when America was "Great".

[–] liscarkat (18367) 4 years ago

Because Democrats have no interest in motor racing.

[–] JohnnyDoe (1882) 4 years ago

Where there any minorities involved in the events?

A quarter of the nation did vote for Trump.

[–] Redsfan001 (6144) 4 years ago

It was close to 50%.

I watched it in the theater, not one line from a African American, Hispanic or Asian. I don't remember seeing any even in a shot.

[–] JohnnyDoe (1882) 4 years ago

The nations consists of about 330 mill.

Events as in true story.

[–] Redsfan001 (6144) 4 years ago

We will never be able to prove it, but if Clinton was elected in 2016, I say this film doesn't get made.

[–] JohnnyDoe (1882) 4 years ago

Prove what? There's a lot of people interested in motorsports around the world.

[–] Redsfan001 (6144) 4 years ago

It would be a different vibe in America...gender equality, first female president, diversity. Hollywood has feelers for this stuff and responds like any other business.

I'm saying that Trump's election was a factor in getting this film made. COULD it have been made if Hillary were elected? Sure,but it would be going against the diversity grain.

[–] JohnnyDoe (1882) 4 years ago

Prove that the movie would not have been made if HC were elected?

A film based on the rivalry between Ford and Ferrari for the dominance at the Le Mans endurance race had long been in works at 20th Century Fox. Initially, it was going to star Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_v_Ferrari#Production

[–] Redsfan001 (6144) 4 years ago

No. They didn't edit out minorities for the story.

But there were no minority EXTRAS in any shots.

After watching it, you come away thinking, wow America was really white in the early 1960's.

[–] JohnnyDoe (1882) 4 years ago

There were no minorities in the story(real life)?

Were there any minorities in the story(real life)?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States

[–] Redsfan001 (6144) 4 years ago

My point is that this movie caters very much to the Trump voter, and this story was picked out specifically for that purpose.

[–] JohnnyDoe (1882) 4 years ago

Or it was in the works before Trump got elected?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_v_Ferrari#Production

[–] Redsfan001 (6144) 4 years ago

Thanks for proving my point, the ball didn't start rolling until 2018. Two years after the election.

[–] JohnnyDoe (1882) 4 years ago

A film based on the rivalry between Ford and Ferrari for the dominance at the Le Mans endurance race had long been in works at 20th Century Fox... ...On February 5, 2018, it was announced... ...Filming began on July 30, 2018...

I.e. they didn't come up with idea in early 2018, they went into production.

[–] Redsfan001 (6144) 4 years ago

As I said, your post proves my point.

Hollywood has PILES OF IDEAS on the shelf collecting dust.

So you have to ask yourself... Why would the ball start rolling in 2018? Just because? I don't think so. It was Trump's election that made this project viable.

The longer this project was on the shelf collecting dust the better, because it tells me that Hollywood thinks it couldn't make it profitable.

I wouldn't call this a low budget movie, so something changed that made Hollywood take this idea and blow off the dust.🤔

Trump and MAGA.

[–] JohnnyDoe (1882) 4 years ago

It didn't start rolling, it went into production.

[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 4 years ago

Who gives a shit, Lakisha?

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[–] TimMC (9143) 4 years ago

No movie comes out of Hollyweird without propaganda. NO.

[–] Redsfan001 (6144) 4 years ago

I don't know if we will ever know, but Trump winning in 2016 might have been a factor in the making of this film.

It is very plausible that the business aspect of Hollywood would want to make a film that would appeal to Trump supporters, a time where 'white men of action' were doing great things when 'America was great' .. this film qualifies.

[–] huwdj (4566) 4 years ago

(excuse me if I've mentioned this before in these threads but,) I'm not sure if a film about a British driver in a car specified by a British design team really plays to the maga agenda?
Regarding the all white cast - in my ignorance I'm guessing that's an accurate reflection of the sport and businesses at the time. I'm reading Hidden Figures at the moment and it's interesting that whilst people of colour were getting professional (engineers, computers, designers) jobs at the time it was very much in the background and possibly only in government projects/industries.

[–] Redsfan001 (6144) 4 years ago

Yes it fits, not many minorities in auto racing.

But the movie also fits many aspects that appeal to the Trump voter.

When and where is there a good example of American capitalist prowess, ingenuity and greatness that Trump was talking about in the recent past?

Well the Apollo thing has already been done, how about this story?

Fits like a glove.

Did you see the movie?

[–] huwdj (4566) 4 years ago

I did and I enjoyed it very much. It had a different title in the UK which was explained as Americans not knowing about Le Man's but on reflection Ford vs... also plays to the America vs ... narrative.

[–] Redsfan001 (6144) 4 years ago

Yes the title is kind of weak....kid like.

[–] ksio89 (79) 4 years ago

I miss the good ol' times when movies and entertainment works in general didn't need too fullfil social or political agendas. Plenty of people didn't vote for Trump and still liked the movie, that should be inconceivable according to you. I have friends who are leftists/liberals and loved this flick, and I don't remember any of them batting an eye for a lack of racial diversity.

[–] Redsfan001 (6144) 4 years ago

I never said liberals wouldn't like it.

20th century Fox will never admit it, but I would be willing to place a large bet that the Trump election really got the ball rolling on the production of this movie.

If Clinton won, it would still be on the shelf collecting dust.

[–] liscarkat (18367) 4 years ago

I followed car racing closely in the early and mid 1960s, and was directly involved in motorcycle racing. At that time, there were zero blacks or Asians around, ever. Women were not allowed in the pits. The movie is realistic.

[–] Redsfan001 (6144) 4 years ago

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[–] wrlord (1141) 4 years ago

What an idiotic thread. Should we take photos and newsreels from the era and start photoshopping/CGIing in black folks?

[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 4 years ago

I agree! Totally fucking idiotic!

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[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 4 years ago

I believe your theory is pure bullshit, Bubba.

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[–] Redsfan001 (6144) 4 years ago

This movie script was on the shelf for years....why the green light after years of collecting dust?

Hollywood doesn't just do things by chance. There has to be a reason as to why it was pulled of the shelf. It might not have been THE primary factor, but the Trump election and probably WAS a factor in making this movie. A movie when America was "Great".

BTW I am not Bubbathegut and I didn't vote for Trump.

[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 4 years ago

Still think your theory is total bullshit, Skeeter.

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[–] Redsfan001 (6144) 4 years ago

Thanks for bumping.

It gives me a chance to point out another odd thing about this movie.

It's PRO BUSINESS! A very odd thing for Hollywood to do. In fact out of the thousands of movies I've seen, only one other (not even made in Hollywood) puts business/capitalism in a favorable light. The only other I'm aware of is Lloyd's of London (1936), which I highly recommend.

I don't think the election of a businessman as President of the USA ( very rare) AND a pro business movie coming out of Hollywood (also very rare) is just a crazy coincidence.

[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 4 years ago

I still think your theory is wrong, but you do make a good point. It's very unusual for a Hollyweird movie to be pro business and/r pro capitalism.

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PS Rush was better. I'd give FVF a 7.0, Rush a 7.8.