Ha ha! Im no Marty Feldman. Although the fact that you assume that’s my picture says a lot about the usefulness of your thoughts about “old” movies. Glad Im not hampered like you to only like movies (and I assume music, books, etc.) from one small era. You sure are missing a lot of good stuff with that close minded thinking. The fact that you value art based on when it was made makes your opinion useless. Good is good is good. No matter when it was made.
No they don't.
Hm well then lets look at the numbers themselves eh? According to IMDB, kids aged under 18 (today…) gave the original version a 7.7 rating. The same age group give the 2013 remake a 6.7. So how does that hold with your theory that kids prefer the newer version to the older because theres less “stiff acting” or something? Im curious how you explain why the original gets better scores by KIDS then the remake. What was your theory on that again? Oh yes!
I noticed movies that were made long ago(and which usually came as a major hit or first time in its subject material)always have a big audience have huge ratings,no matter how "not that good" it would be considered today. After comparing the pattern, I realized it was because it was a major hit in its day most of the middle age and old fans who saw it in the 1990s and 80s still stubornly rate it as the best, no matter how good the remake may top it.
Well then according to this logic we should see the “old” folks rating the original high while the young kids would show by their rating that they prefer the remake. Right? So what do we see exactly… Well we already know the under 18 crowd gave this original a 7.7 So what did the older folks rate it? A 9? 9.5? No… those viewers 45 and over rated the original a 7.5. A 7.5! I believe that’s LOWER than 7.7 right? So kids have rated the original HIGHER then their parents did! It seems the kids liked both more then their parents liked either.
So much for your theory…
And by the way, just for the record, if you were first watching the original in the 1990’s you were watching it almost full generation after it came out. Those are the kids of the oldest original kids who saw it. So not sure why you lump them in with their parents but don’t do the same for current teens.
Everyone thought the shinning was so spooky but now everyone I've talked to doesn't think its that good at all compared to some of the worst horrors that have emerged.
Im genuinely curious, if you think
The Shining is worse then some of the “worst” horror movies of today then what horror movies do you think are actually good? What horror movies do you think are actually scariest?
And guess what?. Its still labeled one of the top scariest films. Why?
Because it is.
Because its older viewers have shaped its ratings to this day. Same as with Carrie.
Well once again when you look at the numbers you find that teens (8.7) actually rate
The Shining HIGHER then their parents do (8.3). Go ahead and look it up. It seems the only thing you’ve proved is that older people tend to be more conservative about ratings then teens. But that there is definitely NO correlation between age and era. At least for these movies. Teens across the board liked the older versions more then their parents did. Imagine that…
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David12222
9 years ago
JHow about this. I don't see anything of the sort of about your kids ratings of these shows. So since I don't see it, I'm not just going to take your word at face value. You better show me some proof or else you're done for.
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blakkdog
9 years ago
No problem:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074285/ratings?ref_=tt_ov_rt for the original
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1939659/ratings?ref_=tt_ov_rt for the new one
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David12222
9 years ago
Old Carrie
Votes Average
Males 75443 7.3
Females 23353 7.5
Aged under 18 733 7.7
Males under 18 445 7.7
Females under 18 283 7.6
Aged 18-29 39682 7.4
Males Aged 18-29 27613 7.4
Females Aged 18-29 11802 7.4
Aged 30-44 43564 7.3
Males Aged 30-44 34939 7.3
Females Aged 30-44 8157 7.5
Aged 45+ 12949 7.5
Males Aged 45+ 10443 7.4
Females Aged 45+ 2346 7.7
IMDb staff 20 7.9
Top 1000 voters 824 7.4
US users 30968 7.5
Non-US users 55339 7.3
IMDb users 118059 7.4
New Carrie
Votes Average
Males 63614 5.9
Females 22927 6.0
Aged under 18 1888 6.7
Males under 18 903 6.6
Females under 18 974 6.7
Aged 18-29 47287 6.0
Males Aged 18-29 32401 6.0
Females Aged 18-29 14413 6.0
Aged 30-44 27726 5.8
Males Aged 30-44 22520 5.8
Females Aged 30-44 4847 5.9
Aged 45+ 5187 5.9
Males Aged 45+ 4023 5.9
Females Aged 45+ 1070 6.1
IMDb staff 11 6.6
Top 1000 voters 414 5.3
US users 15403 6.1
Non-US users 48002 5.8
IMDb users 100555 6.0
Okay. So I'm looking at the two charts here: And I've come to a conclusion.
1. The new carries has 1,888 votes sent by voters under the age of 18 who voted it 6.7. The old carries has only 733 votes sent by voters under the age 18 who vote it 7.7. One conclusion I could draw on these calculations is to note the number of votes for new carrie has been voted 1,155 more times than the old carrie's 733 time votes. That could mean that those who watched the new carrie cared enough to vote more for it than those who watched the old.
Thus the new one has 1,155 more votes. In other words, though the old carrie had a higher ratings, it didn't get that many votes from the under 18 category. Hmm. Infact I noticed that most of the amount of votes came from the 30-44(middle aged group), probably the main watchers of the old carrie. Exactly like I thought. More of the middle age group(or toward middle age) love the old carrie.
Then I took a closer look at the new carrie and I see that the most of the percentage of its lower ratings comes from that older category. Hmm. I wonder if there's a pattern here. But I'll leave that for you.
2. The second observation I made was I don't have any proof that most of these ratings aren't old ratings from viewers who younger at the time of the old carrie but more in their middle ages now at the time of the new carrie. If I find such is the case, then it will mean that most of the bad ratings came from old viewers(who were younger in early 2000s and 1990s) and the good ratings came from the younger generation of the new carrie watchers who vote more for it, giving it its 1,155 more votes. But lest ratings.
3. The third observation is simply that because the new carrie only just came out in 2013, and because its predecessor dominates the name Carrie, and because people natural distain remakes of their old favored films, not many young people who voted in the mid 2000s, early 2000s, and the 90's have even seen this new Carrie, as there has been 3 movies made on Carrie. I know this because when I look on youtube at videos of the new carrie, I see a lot of "Oh this looks interesting! I didn't even know they made another!" Or"I thought the only remake was the 2002 version?"
So with all this taken in consideration, I've arrived at the conclusion that you have not only strengthened my resolve; you've all also given me an important piece of info to share with other's who are puzzled at the popularity of the predecessor.
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blakkdog
9 years ago
Well surely your logic is dizzying…
But feel free to twist yourself into as many knots as you like trying to force the data to fit your narrative. Im not trying to stop you. Just be aware you look silly to most people who have some basic knowledge of statistics and film (and English).
As for your three points, note that the new Carrie getting more teen votes makes perfect sense since those kids would have been able to see the new one in the theater in 2013 but never saw the old one in the theater. So in order to see it they would have had to go out of their way to rent it or buy it or borrow it from someone. Thus less views. Either way, both numbers are statistically significant so this is largely irrelevant. The real statistic you want is the measure of how kids who saw the remake and rated it highly scored the original. All we know is a population of <18 year olds rated one movie one way and another population of <18 year olds rated the other movie the other way. We don’t know the overlap of the two groups. IMDB might have these figures but they don’t post them.
And it doesn’t really matter that the older groups score the new Carrie lower than the teens do. The teens STILL score it 6.7 which is lower than 7.7. So teens seem to agree that the older Carrie is better than the new Carrie. Im not sure how you can interpret that any other way.
IMDB has only been around for (technically) 20 years and for a lot of that they didn’t have the sophisticated tracking system they now have for rating movies (and hasn’t had the universe of phones and devices and uncounted millions online able to access the site to vote for even 10 years). So theres no way someone who was a teen when the original came out (or was a teen in the 90’s or early 2000’s even) would have voted then. So all those teens that voted the original a 7.7 are AT BEST barely in their mid 20’s if they are even over 18 yet. Course none of that matters because the point is they were TEENS when they rated it and how is a teen from 2005 fundamentally different then a teen from 2015?
not many young people who voted in the mid 2000s, early 2000s, and the 90's have even seen this new Carrie, as there has been 3 movies made on Carrie.
Im not sure how this matters since those teens who DID see the 2013 Carrie rated it lower then the teens that saw the original. You have to base your conclusions on the data you have not on what you think might be but hasn’t been recorded. You cant somehow anticipate a wave of higher scores from people who just haven’t bothered to vote yet. The ratio of votes are going to generally always represent the greater population. Its wrong headed to assume only people who favor one movie will vote. Statistically that just doesn’t happen.
So again, all we know is teens score the original higher then the remake. That the populations aren’t identical is irrelevant. And what cross over there is between the two groups is unknown. But the only conclusion you can draw is kids think the original is better.
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David12222
9 years ago
Can tell me when IMDB rating system came into being? Because Remember, the new carrie just came out two years ago.
2. It does matter because it means that the kids of that day(the 70s)were seeing for the first time a film graphically despicting a highschool student killing her class mates. So it was new to its kind, therefore getting a lot of ratings. Even past the 21st century, people only Know about this one. Why didn't you get my point? I know because I see how many people don't even know the new one exists!
As for the teens rating the new carrie lower, the teens in the earlier part of the 21st century rated it so high because it was the only movie of its kind they were familiar with. When a movie stands out in its genre and it has good enough acting and an interesting, not usually-told-storyline, it usually garners a alot of votes. I've noticed that pattern for years.
As for why the new one is rated lower has everything to do with it is largely unheard of compared to its predecessor, and because its a remake, which tend to turn viewers away in itself as the popular image of remakes are "crappy"things that can't equal the original.
And don't try to refute it either as I've seen comments mentioning the same on countless movie rating sites.
So again, no great mystery at all.
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KingTrump
9 years ago
You talk like you speak for all the teens across the world.
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David12222
9 years ago
No, I talk by what I notice on social media and the internet.
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KingTrump
9 years ago
So do I, and 85% of the people I see on the internet prefer the original Carrie.
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David12222
9 years ago
And, like I told the other guy, that same 85% i see on youtube, are totally clueless about the new carrie even being out until they see it on video clips
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KingTrump
9 years ago
I doubt 85% of people on the internet were unaware of a remake.
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David12222
9 years ago
Yep, apparently. I mean I see it all the time. "What's this carrrie? I didn't know there was a sequel." Or "I thought the 2002 was the only remake".
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