Horror should be R, let it be the one genre us adults have left that doesn't hold back. Deadpool was a superhero film that was rated R and it made money! Keep horror R, I won't see this crap in theaters cause of those jewish bastard producers that don't know a fkn thing!
share..and the fact that they just delayed this movie, because of the PG-13 reshoots just made it worst.
shareYou know many times I see these little preteens defending PG-13 horror cause lets face it they can only see PG-13 horror. They say "oh horror doesn't need a bunch of horror to be good", "there are plenty of bad R rated horror films" blah fkn blah they regurgitate these lines over and over.
MY position though is this is fkn art and censorship does art no favors. Horror is a dark genre, when life gets dark especially really dark it gets messy. People might say fk more than once and there might be a little blood. I don't think the overuse of gore accomplishes much but one or two really good scenes where they don't hold back make all the difference. The exorcist is a great example of this, that film would have sucked as PG and harvey jewstein would have made it such had he had the chance.
Exorcist was also released at a time with no PG-13. Anyway, it all depends on the tone of the film, and whether or not it calls for what normally gets an R rating, and if it is intentionally made to get a PG-13 rating and then release the unrated version on dvd, then there is a problem. Those teens are correct, Horror is a visual style of filmmaking; it does not need to be scary to be good, it just needs to be well made (since scariness is relative to the times). Are any of these films lesser because of their not-R rating.
Beetlejuice
The Birds
Gremlins
The Haunting
Insidious
Invasion of the Body Snatchers
Jaws
Killer Klowns From Outer Space
Nosferatu the Vampyre
The Others
Poltergeist (1982)
The Stepford Wives (1975)
Tremors
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THE EXORCIST, still isn't a PG13 in it's current form, so even if the rating did exist in the early 70's, it would have still received an R.
The other films you have mentioned can be fun and enjoyable to some; but were specifically designed to appeal to a wider audience and some horror films come with expectations of intense and strong content. AMITYVILLE is one of them and considering it was R rated originally and has now is being toned down for PG13, it appears detrimental to it's appeal value, not to mention the release date being put back. It appears like the producers have shot themselves in the foot. If it was rated PG13 first up, then there would still be backlash; but there would have been no conscious knowing that it was originally rated R and making one feel like they could be missing out on something different or better.
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Horror is a visual style of filmmaking; it does not need to be scary to be good
(since scariness is relative to the times)
Exactly, pg13 is for fake horror fans and little 5 year old boys....
Horror should be R rated, if its not, boycott!
I had the privilege of being a little kid in the 90's. So i already got into Halloween and Scream at the age of 8. Saw Halloween H20 and Bride of Chucky in theaters at the age of 10. Been a huge horror fan ever since. R rated is the best!
shareI had the privilege of being a little kid in the 90's. So i already got into Halloween and Scream at the age of 8. Saw Halloween H20 and Bride of Chucky in theaters at the age of 10. Been a huge horror fan ever since. R rated is the best!
Whoa whoa whoa, you had me up until the anti-Semitism pal!
What's missing in movies is same as in society: a good sense of work ethic and living up to ideals.
Horror should be whatever the director intends, whether it's an R or a PG-13 film.
I've been seeing R-rated movies since I was in elementary school and have no issue with violence in cinema. I've seen most of the hardcore horror films out there, including things like A Serbian Film. Graphic violence has a place in horror cinema, but it's far from being a requirement to make a suspenseful film because blood and guts aren't inherently frightening in and of themselves. It's the tension and the suspense preceding the bloodshed that creates the horror.
The original Halloween is a classic, and beyond a sex scene I really don't see why it shouldn't be rated PG-13. There is a nearly complete lack of blood. The same can be said for the original Texas Chain Saw Massacre--for years people went on about how gory it was, when all the violence was left up to suggestion. Tobe Hooper used to hate when people talked about how gory it was when there was barely any blood. Psycho, another classic, is rated R when it should be PG-13. You don't even see a knife piercing flesh in the shower scene. And oddly enough, Jaws, which does feature quite a bit of blood, is rated PG. But the point is, everyone acknowledges these films are classics, and they all have very little on-screen blood and gore.
There's also the argument that blood and guts is a cheap attempt to drum up suspense when it isn't there--a last-ditch effort to elevate bland material. There are legitimate uses of gore--any body-horror film immediately justifies it--but a lot of the times it's used gratuitously. It's like sex scenes. One forced into a film can detract from the experience (the infamous Friday the 13th remake sex scene).
There are plenty of ways to make an effective horror film that doesn't rely on the red stuff. But it should be up to the director, not the producers. A true horror fan supports whatever the artistic vision might be, they don't automatically discount a PG-13 film on the basis of the rating alone. If the director shot an R-rated film and the studio insisted on cuts to make more money from tweens, fine, throw a fit. At least in that case it's interfering with the artist's vision.
Horror as a franchise has been around far longer than the splatter film. The production codes were notoriously strict pre-1960s, but no one would call films like Nosferatu, Dracula, Frankenstein, The Wolf Man, etc. anything but horror films. Gore didn't take off until the films of Herschell Gordon Lewis, a point when the horror film had already been around for decades. Don't discount all horror films previous to that as something else. They're not.
Hell, THE CONJURING was 'R' and did big business, so there is no reason to pussify the Amytiville films. If it gets released as PG13, I will be waiting for the home release. If it bombs at the box office, then deservedly so. The remakes of ROBOCOP and TOTAL RECALL bombed with PG13 ratings and I feel that would have been one of the major reasons. Fans will lose interest.
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Destinata:π©
What is Amityville 3-D? Also the first two came in that interesting time before PG-13
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Amityville 3D bombed and was pretty bad, albeit a few good sequences. I think the first one might scrape by with a PG13 today, but not the second. The themes are quite strong in this one and the horror intense. There is a fine line between PG13 and R at times and some US PG13 horrors get a much higher restricted rating in other countries, then by the flip side some 'R', get a non-restricted rating.
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OMG. I can't believe this is going to be PG-13.
shareThe only more recent PG-13 supernatural horror I thought was any good, was A HAUNTING IN CONNECTICUT-09'. That was very intense for it's ratingβthere is an unrated version as well, which has a tad more graphic horrorβwas well acted and had an effective emotional impact. It was higher restricted in most other countries. I preferred it to the 'R' rated remake of THE AMITYVILLE HORROR-05', which starred Ryan Reynolds.
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Interesting, I thought that was too by the numbers and not enough creative visuals/direction. For me, Insidious and The Woman In Black are the only ones I can think of in recent years that were good.
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...I thought that was too by the numbers and not enough creative visuals/direction.
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I just connected with Haunting In Connecticut for some reason. I don't think the story needed any unnecessary embellishments to tell it's tale, which I thought it told very well and resonated with me.*SPOILER ALERT*It focused on character and had one thinking that it could just be an hallucination due to the side effects of the drugs that Matt was taking for his disease and the interesting backstory to the history of the house. Also the twist with the scary psychic vision that was haunting the house, that was only guiding and reaching out for release.
I haven't seen Insidious, or The Woman In Blackβwhich was a period piece, so is bound to look visually creativeβand must check them out. I think the PG13 rating put me off also.
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The gateway to the hell realms at any rate; the devil himself is just a religious concept; but yes, PG13 just might not cut it, considering the violent history of the house.
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If the Devil himself resides, God resides also. At the end of it all, it is all one and whole. There are demons and enlightened beings everywhere; but the demon is just representative of fear, suffering and even desire. At the end of it all, there is no separateness only completeness. It is the ego mind that creates the concepts of good and evil.
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It is still an interesting discussion, especially for those who are interested in theology and demonology themes. I though you were the philosophy man? The Amityville movies touch on these themes, so it is relevant.
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Well actually, the original film and its sequel are purportedly based on true events and the theme of it being a gateway to hell, has just been carried onto the fictional sequels. It doesn't change what the other films in the series are about. Anything can be discussed on an open forum and you did bring it up first. I'm not asking or expecting you to discuss anything in depth, but it sounds like you are deflecting from what I have commented on. Is there a reason for that?
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You also commented that he resides in the gateway to hell. It was an interesting comment and I expanded on it and gave you an answer. It might help with your philosophy book and research. Pleased I could help.
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