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This might get some hate, but oh well


I actually enjoyed the film, I understood it, or at least my interpretation of it. I wouldn't say it's propaganda, or fascist, the film had a message: The decline of the american people, as in the fact that you all watch "reality" programmes, and it's not just the US which is slowly falling. To me the film is similar "message wise" to Mike Judge's Idiocracy.
Frank also kills people who "deserve" it, for example Chloe shouting and swearing at her parents because they got the wrong car. Whereas Roxy wants to just go on a slaughter spree.
I'm a brit, so of course I haven't experienced the US "culture" first hand, but from what I've seen through the internet, the whole TV sequences: Super Sweet 16, American Idol & "reality" programmes that were shown in the film, were pretty bang on.
Also, Frank is correct with most of his speeches, they have some pretty valid points, Roxy wants to be objectified by asking if she's pretty, but he states that if he says she's pretty, he's objectifying a child. Rant over.

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i'd bet more pity than hate. I'm an optimist.

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The decline of the american people, as in the fact that you all watch "reality" programmes

I haven't experienced the US "culture" first hand, but from what I've seen through the internet,



We don't all watch reality programs. In fact, I don't know *anyone* who does - but for the record, the kind of tv you watch doesn't mean you're "declining." You know people who watch so-bad-they're-good movies, right? Well, trash tv is kinda like that. There's nothing wrong with having the occasional candy bar. There's nothing wrong with leave-your-brain-at-the-door mindless entertainment once in a while.

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I enjoyed the movie as well, but I have similar problems with it.

For one, the movie itself the exact type of thing that Frank dislikes. The characters themselves are rude and lack compassion, though it's good at what it does, it's a trash movie that uses shock value to its advantage. The two protagonists are also cruel and judgemental. Killing that teenage girl for example, she may be a spoilt child now, but she could have grown up to be something else. Who was perfect when they were 16? I know I wasn't.

The main object of Frank's hatred is also TV and celebrity culture. If he didn't watch the TV, it wouldn't bother him. He adds to the viewing figures. He watches TV when he could be doing something a bit more cerebral and productive, like learning the piano, reading a great novel or learning a language. He's the brain-dead reality TV consumer that he claims to hate. I don't watch TV, I watch DVD box sets or Netflix so I only see quality stuff that I want to watch. I don't get bothered by reality TV because I don't see it at all, or talk about it or read about it, I don't have a clue who won what, or who the mental people are on American Idol/Britain's got talent that people are making fun of etc.

Although a likeable character in some ways, Frank himself is like those portly women who read women's magazines and complain that they have unrealisticly thin models in them. Stop buying the damn magazine or lose some weight ladies, then you won't be bothered by it. He's essentially a whiny, angsty, middle-aged manchild, who says the occasional witty or intelligent rant.

And I have to disagree with you on one point, the movie most certainly is a little fascist. At least the characters are, what else would you call killing people because they don't like the things that Frank likes or won't conform and behave as Frank wants them to? Sounds a little bit fascistic to me. Frank is not mentally ill, he beleives he's dying and wants to take people with him. He's able to think clearly and he's in full control of his calculated actions. He's no less than a Hitler, a Pol Pot or a Stalin on a much smaller scale. They weren't insane either, just very nasty people.

All this being said, despite it's obvious flaws, I like it a lot. And there's not much the scriptwriter could have done with the subject matter to make Frank and Roxie more rational and less hypocritical, because spree killers are irrational. Sorry if I bored you with a long post. :)



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